In this episode, I sit down with Professor David Clutterbuck—pioneer of team coaching, co-founder of the EMCC, and author of over 70 books—to explore what makes teams thrive in today’s complex environments. A deeply insightful conversation that transforms how we think about teams.

From the science of team dynamics to building cultures of accountability and coaching, David shares frameworks and stories that every leader should hear.

In this episode, we cover:

(00:00 ) – Introduction

(06:18 ) – What it means to see teams as complex adaptive systems

(10:36 ) – The six essential PERILL elements that influence team performance

(17:44 ) – How to navigate stakeholder complexity and team alignment

(23:04 ) – Dialogue vs debate

(26:30 ) – Psychological safety

(31:42 ) – Teams coaching themselves

(33:59 ) – Rapid teaming & onboarding

(36:03 ) – Distributed leadership

(48:35 ) – AI & trust in teams

(51:51 ) – Final Thoughts

One of my favourite takeaways? The difference between discussion, debate, and dialogue. Teams that truly thrive don’t argue or compromise—they find new meaning together. 

This conversation is full of practical strategies for building teams that don’t just function—they flourish. 

I’d love to hear what stood out for you—let’s connect on LinkedIn and keep the conversation going. 

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