Dave Pirner & Josh Todd
Dave Pirner & Josh ToddUpdate: 2025-01-23
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On this episode of The Eddie Trunk Podcast - Eddie brings you a pair of recent interviews from his daily talk show. First up, it's Dave Pirner discussing the latest with Soul Asylum, their touring and writing plans and much more. Then, it's Eddie's chat with Josh Todd about the 20th anniversary of Buckcherry's hit record, 15!
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This week, a couple interviews for you, one that I did very recently, one that's a few months
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old, will start with the older one, Dave Perner, guitarist, vocalist, founding member, singer
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of Soul Asylum, one of my favorite bands really, people are kind of surprised when I say that
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because Soul Asylum although never a metal band certainly touched on Hard Rock, but they
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come from a little bit of a different place musically in terms of their history, but I always
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love the band, I always thought Perner was a genius songwriter and they're still to this
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day, one of my favorite bands to go see live, they recently released a new album called
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Slowly But Surely That Is Out Now, so we talk about that and also a tour that Soul Asylum
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was about to do at the time, now because this interview is a couple months old, two, three
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months old, that tour has of course now happened already, but there's still good stuff in
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here and you know, Perner is one of my favorite people to interview because he is such a character
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and the most unrock star interview you could possibly imagine, he just is very blunt and honest
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and just a character, always fun to talk to, so we'll start with him, second interview is
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one that I did just a week ago and that is with Josh Todd, lead singer of Buck Cherry, amazingly
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their breakthrough album 15 turned 20 years old or does turn 20 years old this year, the
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band is about to release a special edition of that album to celebrate, it's a really interesting
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story of that record and how Buck Cherry was basically left for dead, made the record
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on their own and it became the biggest record in their catalog and I had a little something
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to do with it getting involved early in the arc of that record, so good stuff today on
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the podcast, hope you enjoy it, Perner to start from Soul Asylum, Josh Todd of Buck Cherry
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second talking about their album 15 at 20 years old, let's get into it with Dave right now
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talking Soul Asylum on the Eddie Trump podcast, DP how are you buddy, I'm hanging in there
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man, I'm hanging in there, as I alluded to in my little intro there, you've been pretty
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active, maybe a little more active than Soul Asylum has been in a while lately, yeah I guess
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we're trying to make up for all those COVID dates, yeah how's everything been going, real
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busy, real you know kind of five shows and a row kind of thing but we're getting it done
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and everyone's getting along and the band sounds pretty good, how do you hold up as the
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lead singer in the band five shows in a row, most lead singers especially you know once
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they get a little older, can not do that, you're still comfortable with that or would be
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your preference to not do that, well I feel a little beat up all the time and it's important
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to, you know, rest your voice for a day every now and then, yeah I mean it doesn't get
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easier Eddie, it's kind of just wake up and do the grind and do it again the next day and
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the day after that, well there's an economic aspect of that right, like when you're on the
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road and I hear this from bands all the time, I mean stuff is so expensive right now that
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you got it, you know a night off is no money coming in and money going out so that's really
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the reason why, especially bands at the club and theater level are out there playing at least
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six nights a week because you got off set the cost right, you are correct, yeah, so I mean
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I know it can be it can be a grind after a while, how was the shed toward this summer with
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STP and live, how did that go, you've been getting a little more of that kind of action lately too?
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It was really pretty smooth, I mean we played a short set and we were out of there pretty quickly,
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you know, and things like they got things like catering and stuff like that they don't know,
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you know, so there's a few things that make it easier and the STP guys are great man, I love the
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brothers, man. Yeah, no, I know I love those guys as well, but I talked to Robert actually just before
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that tour started and he mentioned you guys were in the third slot and I was like, oh man, I love
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that band, I love Dave and he said, I go, but I got a big problem with that and he goes, what do you
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mean? I go, what's the set going to be like 35 minutes? He goes, yeah, probably somewhere around
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that and I go, I don't want to see solar asylum that short, I'm not coming, I need to see at least
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an hour and a half, so that, were there people in there when you went on, were you able to get in front
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of some people playing in that slot? Yeah, yeah, people were surprisingly early, I mean, you know,
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wasn't full, but there was a lot of people there. Yeah, well, all right, well that's good, so you
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felt it was worthwhile though? I don't know what's worthwhile and what isn't, I'll never figure that
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out. You've been doing this like 40 years, you're still trying to figure that out, right?
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It's true, man. Do you feel like when you do something like that, you convert new solar
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asylum fans or that you meet people who maybe, oh man, yeah, because there's a lot of people out of
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touch that just go to a shed tour in the summer. Did you find there people like, oh man, I know
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you guys are still out there doing it and I remember that song and all that, did you pick up on any of that?
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Yeah, I mean, I think that's part of the reason why these stuff like that to get in front of people that
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wouldn't normally go out and see it, so yeah, I mean, you know, a lot of dudes.
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The current tour you're on now a headlining run playing smaller venues. How's that been going?
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Good. I mean, you know, it's brutal, but you know, you try to kind of get acclimated to where you are and
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and a lot of these kind of weird theater places, they're very hard to navigate. So,
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and I spend your day trying to find the door and trying to figure out how to eat some food and
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hope for maybe a laundry machine or something, but you know, the show's been great and people seem to
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be digging it. Yeah. When you say hard to navigate, you mean literally like spinal tap moments where
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you couldn't find the stage or find your way in or out? Literally. The place yesterday, I was afraid to
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go in and I was, I couldn't once I was connected and find my way out. Do you have a, what is the most
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spinal tap solosilum moment, Dave, in your long career? Do you have one or two?
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Well, the whole band, the whole history. Yeah, the entire thing. The first gig of this tour,
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the bread was mismatched to the cheese and I could not make the joke and we weren't as
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often running at this point. No, Pemento in the olive or any of that stuff, you know, you've already
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got lost all of the stage. Hey, what about the set list, man? I know you want to represent the
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new record. Obviously, at this point, you got a huge catalog of songs to pull from. You've been
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changing it, up and changing it from show to show or pretty much set what you're doing.
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We're switching up a few sections of it, but we've seen the sort of found a set that
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that is working. So yeah, it varies, but we're sort of sticking to, you know, it's kind of an
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evolving set list, I guess. How much of the new album are you doing? We're doing I think six
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six songs from the new record. Oh, okay, so you're really representing the record? Yeah, why not, man?
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Well, when I saw you last, when I saw you play last, Dave, it was in Vegas and you were playing
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Fremont, I guess it was, I don't know, last summer, whenever it was, and I talked, when we talked for
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a little bit, and you would mention that this record, which is out now slowly, but surely was coming.
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And I'll never forget what you said to me because we were in your little backstage cubicle there
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enjoying that high end catering. And you said to me, you go, yeah, you go, I got, we got a new record
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coming. You're going to be hearing it soon and you go, you're words to me where it's pretty aggressive.
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Certain elements of it are, tell me about this record and working with Steve Jordan again as a producer.
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Well, me and Steve made a record in 1990 called the horse that he wrote in on. And I think I've
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pretty much learned his language as a producer. And I think he kind of learned my language as a songwriter.
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So over the years, we dabbled in just about every kind of recording technique you can name or
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find out there. And it just kind of came as, you know, it's time to put the band in the studio and
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just play and record the band and not dick around with a bunch of computer, focus, focus.
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And I called Nico Bolas who's Neil Young's studio engineer and archiver and whatnot. And
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Benjamin Song, Nico mixed the song and then I got a call that Steve wanted to produce the record.
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So Nico told Steve and then I got to work with both of them. And it was like nothing, no time and
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past. I mean Steve kind of knows what I'm capable of and I kind of know what he demands from the band.
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And that's fully intent on giving it to him. And it's just a very organic kind of intuitive way of
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doing things where he's a player's producer and he's coming from the, he's coming from the player side
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of the glass. So it was really fun and really, you know, painless. We recorded it in Minneapolis
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and I went out to New York and did the vocals and mixed at Electric Lady. And yeah, we worked there
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on the last, the last time we went together, worked together. So it's pretty a bum place with it.
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It's funny. You mentioned Electric Lady. I didn't know that you did the vocals there because
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I just last week on the show had Eddie Kramer on and talking about a documentary that's out now
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on Electric Lady Studios. And I said to Eddie, I go, you know, because Eddie built the place with
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Hendrix. And I said to Eddie, I go, did you, is it, how does Electric Lady do now? Is it still really
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active as a studio? And he goes, oh my god. Yeah, he said it's super active because it's even kind
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of tough to get in there. And it's cool to see that that studio with so many studios having gone
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by the wayside with technology. People making records in their houses is still in demand with all
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its history. So that would be cool to work there again. Yeah, you really do feel the spirit of
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Hendrix in there. I mean, I do anyways. And that's kind of, you know, it's pretty special.
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You probably talk yourself into it, but you do feel like you're in Jimmy's house. And I got
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played a solo through one of his amps. And it's, yeah, very active and very, you know, and when I was
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there 25 years ago, it's not like it looks like it's aged a day. I mean, it's very well preserved and very,
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very functional, very active. And, yeah, I don't know, Taylor Swift came in when I was there.
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For real? Yes, it's still cool. Did you meet her? No, I did not.
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You could have gotten some tickets off of her. You could have scout those things. Dave,
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you would have been set for life. Yeah. Yeah, the price would have worked out in a little harder.
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You should have, man. I know a guy who just spent thousands on tickets to go to see one of her shows.
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He could have worked that, man. He could have just like, could have been like when coaches in the
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Super Bowl, scout their tickets. And nobody knows and put a little extra money in. This
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way you could add better catering backstage for it. Slow the silence. You on that's right, man. See
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you're thinking. For people that don't know, the Steve Jordan we're talking about who produced
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this record is the legendary drummer who, of course, these days is playing in the stones.
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When you, when you recorded the tracks, you mentioned you wanted to do it very live. Did you actually
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track the record live and then just do the vocals at like was everything cut live as far as what you
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do with Steve? Yep. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of what I wanted and that's kind of what we got.
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And I mean, you know, anything is interesting. It's that nowadays it takes us a fraction of the
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amount of takes that it took the last time we were in the studio with Steve. So you're trying to
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add a capture some spontaneity. And if you play something 30 times, you might beat it to death.
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So yeah, you know, yeah, no, not a lot of overdubs or anything.
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And what about the material? When, when did you write these songs where these all pretty newly
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written? Did you sit down and had you been working on the songs for a while? Is it a combination of
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things? I had a take a list of songs. I was like 30 or probably 40 songs. And those were the ones
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that the band was honing. It's relaxed. It was better expression. And I kind of I said to him
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to Steve and I kind of said, you pick them. So there was like, there was a couple songs
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like we had a conference call. And he said, well, what's the song that you guys have played live
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before that fans seem to like? And everybody said the same songs. So that, yeah, it was pretty
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effortless. You know, there's a couple things I've been working on for years that I kind of sent him
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what I had as a demo. And they kind of surprised me and picked a couple of
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men of songs that were more challenging. I think.
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Well, that would explain to me the fact that there's a song on this new record called
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Freak Accident. And the minute I heard it, I was like, I know this song. I've heard this song a bunch
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of times. So you guys were playing that live. You would you had never recorded that before?
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Well, that is in fact the song I was talking about. And I think we tried to record it and it just didn't
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work. It didn't sound right. And we changed a couple parts. We changed the middle A and we changed
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the intro. And we sped it up. And you know, the thing about this record is that
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he was like, just playing electric guitar day, which is great for me. Because we had been sort of
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freak accident was more acoustic oriented. And I did not play much acoustic guitar on this record
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relatively. So there, you know, there's that. It's more fun to play the electric guitar. I mean,
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some people might disagree with me, but it just is. One other thing, yeah, one other thing on the record,
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the title of the record slowly, but surely is a reference to Shirley Moldowney, who was the
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drag racer. Tell me about the significance of that and why you called the record that and why
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it was kind of a nod to her. What was the importance of her to you?
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Well, when I was a kid, I collected the drag race, drag racing cards. They're like baseball cards,
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only they have cars on them. And I was into Don Big Daddy, Don Garlitz, Don The Snake Pedome,
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and all these guys. And then Shirley Moldowney came along. And maybe it's timing, maybe it's
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coincidence. I don't really know, but I had seen a thing. There's a stationary store next door to
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electric lady. And there was like a placard. It was actually an album-sized placard kind of
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silk screen thing that said slowly, but surely as you are, E-L-Y, and I went, oh yeah, that'd be funny
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to change it. And then I thought of Shirley Temple, and then I went Nell, and then I thought of
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Shirley Moldowney, and I went, yep. And just that she was kind of in a boys club and
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took on all that adversity. I mean, it reminds me of somebody who's running for president a little bit,
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and it just kind of seems like she was a real hero in a way that she probably had a tough time,
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healing with people, telling her that that wasn't for women, or whatever. But to that effect,
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I love her. She's a rabble, and she's been very, very cool about letting us use her image, and
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she's been very sweet as far as working with her. So you know her, the whole kind of. You know her?
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You know her. So you don't know her, but she's aware of this, obviously.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, my manager has spoken to her in a couple occasions, and you know, hopefully I'll
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get to meet her. But yeah, she's been really cool about it. She used a couple clips of me.
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She's still involved in racing, so she does events, but she doesn't drive anymore.
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So they were doing some sort of a tribute thing to her, and I spoke about her, and they put me in
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there, and whatever. And you know, and then you got the whole kind of airplane joke, you know,
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surely don't call me, surely kind of, right? It's pretty versatile.
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Were, were, are you still into drag racing? Do you still follow it or no?
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No, I mean, as a kid, I was really in the hot rods and stuff, but I've never,
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you know, I don't, I don't like to drive because I like to go fast.
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So I kind of have that hang up, but I've never been very active as far as one. I would really like
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to take my Toyota, my Toyota Camry out to the racetrack and see how fast it goes, but outside of that,
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I've not been involved with racing other than just kind of being a fan.
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I wanted this year though, that was weird. Oh, you did? Yeah, I went to F1 last year in Vegas,
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which I had never gone to before, and that's quite a scene too, but I don't know, at least that all I
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did was watch like, you know, people just don't know, I mean, it was like, I couldn't make sense,
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anything beyond that was a, but to me, it looked like a big excuse to have a big expensive party.
00:25:24
That's right. You have dates that the tour now currently runs through the middle of November,
00:25:36
we should mention we have listeners in Canada as well. You've got Montreal and Ottawa coming up,
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other cities coming up, including New York, Philadelphia, Portland, Maine, all the dates again,
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at solosilum.com. Then you got a hometown show between Christmas and New Years at First Avenue,
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a legendary venue, Minneapolis. That's on the 28th. Have you started looking at or do you know what's
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in store for next year? Are you going to do more shows? Yeah, we're going to go to Europe and
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you know, places like that, we're talking about Australia. There's a lot on the docket and we'll
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see how it develops. So we're going to a couple places like Prague and
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Poland that I have not been to before, so that's that was kind of a notch on my belt. I mean,
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at some point or another when you're when you're young, at least for me anyway, as I was like,
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I'm going to see how far this band will physically take me. So it's all cool to go someplace that we
00:26:49
haven't been before. Well, yeah, especially when you've been doing it as long as you have to go to
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some uncharted territory, that's pretty cool. I just went to Japan for the first time. Have you been
00:27:01
over there? Yeah. When was the last time? Well, I loved it. Yeah, when's the last time you went?
00:27:12
I'm going to say it was about three years ago. Oh, okay. This solo silent do well there?
00:27:22
Yeah, as a matter of fact, yes, we do. Yeah, that's good for us. Yeah, the fans there, as you know,
00:27:35
then, are super, super passionate. And yeah, I went over, I toured there with Sammy Hagar, a
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couple three, three, four weeks ago. He took me on his tour. Suffice it to say Dave on that,
00:27:46
the hotels and the catering was pretty darn good. So I got no complaints.
00:27:52
You get a small enough room and a small enough bed enough. No, I giant room. We were staying at like
00:27:58
Ritz Carlton's man. It was crazy. All right. Yeah, that'd come with me, Dave. I'll take you. We'll do it
00:28:05
the right way. That's right, man. Listen, man, it's always good to talk to you. Congrats
00:28:12
on the record slowly, but surely is out now. Go to solosilum.com. Find them remaining dates.
00:28:18
Always an amazing fun live show. If there's one coming near you, I can't recommend it more highly.
00:28:23
And I'm going to try to get out there and catch you at one of these before you wrap it up in
00:28:27
in the next few weeks. Say hi to the guys and travel safe, man.
00:28:30
Well indeed, I was pleasure, Eddie. Thanks for your time. You got it, Dave. Talk to you soon, man.
00:28:37
All right. Take care. Bye-bye.
00:28:41
There he goes, everybody. Is there anybody better than that guy?
00:28:48
Don't you probably could make five promos out of that 20-minute interview.
00:28:56
Oh, man. It don't get more real than Perner.
00:29:11
Yeah, it's kind of a grind.
00:29:13
I got lost trying to get in these weird little clubs, these weird little theaters.
00:29:20
Oh, God. The ultimate pitch, man.
00:29:29
He is totally, and I love him. I am not goofing on him. I love him. He's as real as it gets.
00:29:38
And he's brilliant. He's a brilliant writer, but he is the best pitchman. He's not the best pitchman.
00:29:46
What was the line in the last interview? Somebody called him to talk to that. Oh, and he was in studio,
00:29:56
and he was on one of these package tours. And he goes, I don't really know what we're doing on this.
00:30:00
We don't even fit. He said something else. Like,
00:30:07
"Oh, God." Well, always fun to talk to Dave Perner after that interview was over.
00:30:12
The publicist texted me and said, "Thanks for working with Dave."
00:30:16
Because you got to pull from him a little bit. I said, "Oh, my God, no apology.
00:30:23
You needed no thanks needed. I love that guy. It's just too funny."
00:30:26
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00:30:31
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00:32:50
Next up, a band that is always on tour, maybe the most consistently touring band in the
00:32:58
last 20 years that I've seen. That band is Buck Sherry. Their album 15, their third album with crazy
00:33:06
bitch and sorry and all those big songs recently or this year is celebrating 20 years. It's hard to
00:33:12
believe because that band used to send me their guitar player at the time, Keith Nelson, the other
00:33:19
original member who's no longer in the band. He used to send me songs to play. They couldn't even
00:33:24
get a record deal and then the record just took on this whole life of its own and this whole arc of
00:33:30
tremendous success and it stances their biggest record to date. We talk a little bit about that with
00:33:35
Josh, that and more, including a little tip off on the next Buck Sherry record in this interview. Check
00:33:41
it out. It is, you know, absolutely blows my mind when I saw the other day that the third album from
00:33:49
Buck Sherry, the album called 15, which was very much a comeback and at the same time break through
00:33:53
album for that band is 20 years old. It completely floored me because I'm very proud to have a golden
00:34:02
platinum record on my wall that I'm looking at right now from that album and a note from at the
00:34:07
time the band's guitarist Keith Nelson thanking me for believing in it because I was playing demos
00:34:13
from it as they were making it in the studio and then it was so great to see how it just took off
00:34:19
from there and all the steps that it went through and what a big record it became and have been a part
00:34:25
of it's really special to me. But it just floors me that that was 20 years ago because it feels like
00:34:32
yesterday and to join us to talk a little bit about that and Buck Sherry in general is the band's
00:34:38
lead singer Josh Todd joining us live right now. JT what's going on man? What's up? 20 years man how the
00:34:48
hell did that happen? You know time flies you know we started a big way of a big movement without one
00:34:58
and we just kept riding out wave you know and here we are all these all these years later you know
00:35:05
it's pretty it's pretty cool. Well from that period of the band it's you and Stevie of course you
00:35:11
know steer in the ship these days you're the two guys that were part of 15 that are still in the
00:35:16
band and still doing it. But you know I don't know Josh if people realize the you know where Buck Sherry
00:35:23
was at when you guys made 15 I do because like I said back then you know what you guys were doing it
00:35:30
Keith was sending me demos you had no record deal you had nothing the band had been broken up. So
00:35:36
so take you know take everybody through what that whole thing was like for you how because the
00:35:41
band had broken up after time bomb which I think is a great record I love time bomb.
00:35:45
But then you guys were apart and then you come back together and you rebuild the band talk a little
00:35:50
bit about the process of how it all came together. I thought that we like consciously broke up there
00:35:57
just wasn't no band like there was three of the band members like eventually quit like Devon and
00:36:05
JB and Yogi and so it's just me and Keith kind of holding down the floor we were still signed to
00:36:11
Dreamworks at that time and we were just we were just writing songs you know and and uh you know
00:36:19
that's that's along the same time when we did the uh those few shows that one show actually with
00:36:25
Matt Matt uh Jeff and Slash you know if our Randy Castillo benefit at the key club it was called
00:36:32
like Cherry Roses we did a bunch of covers and we had a lot of fun doing that I just remember Keith
00:36:38
and I talking like that was that was like but Cherry with like really great really great
00:36:43
players you know um and uh we kind of really wanted something to work out with that you know
00:36:52
and it just kind of fizzled out but um and then it was just too much nonsense you know we just
00:36:58
we just went our separate ways there was no like really falling out but we just had to kind of
00:37:02
get on with life you know because there was no ban we were auditioning people but we can never get
00:37:08
like really good players everybody wanted money we didn't have money you know a lot of that kind of
00:37:13
stuff so um yeah it was just kind of a thorn in our side for those that time on hiatus and then we
00:37:22
finally um talked about you know talked after like I don't know year or so and uh we were ready to
00:37:32
kind of you know make another push and we got the right guys you know as damn members that was really
00:37:38
important and then we didn't look back you know yeah I mean you but you did when you first of all the
00:37:45
thing that you did when it was slash and matt soram and duff that that was basically going to be
00:37:51
that's what velvet revolver became right like you and Keith at that time were were would have
00:37:56
potentially been a part of what would have been velvet revolver is that correct yeah we there
00:38:02
was no talk of velvet revolver or anything you know there was just we did a show and everybody like
00:38:08
the show you know we did like some gnr songs and some book cherry songs some aerosmith songs and
00:38:14
there's just like a buzz around LA around it you know and so we're we're we just you know we reached
00:38:19
out to those guys and said hey you know that felt good you guys want to do something and they weren't
00:38:23
doing gnr at the time so you know they they felt the same way and we became a band for about a month
00:38:31
you know I've talked about this many times it was like a month of my life there was no there's no
00:38:36
talk of velvet revolver and then after our portion of that after we left that situation it was like
00:38:44
you know later on you know I don't know how long it was before velvet revolver eventually became
00:38:52
something uh but uh yeah it was we were way before all that did you have songs that ended up
00:38:59
on 15 that you had brought to those guys at that time with the idea if if it was going to be a band
00:39:06
was there stuff that ended up on 15 that was written then nothing that only the songs that Keith
00:39:14
and I wrote you know they had no involvement in any of those songs right but I'm saying you had
00:39:20
some of this stuff that ended up on 15 that you and Keith did at that time like did you ever jam with them
00:39:26
no we didn't jam it I think we played it for a producer that we were kind of looking ahead at the time
00:39:34
and and uh yeah he I think we played crazy bitch demo for a producer I won't name his name but uh
00:39:43
he just said oh it's a good song but you got to change the lyrics and you know if you ever wanted to
00:39:49
get on the radio and I'm like you can't change the lyrics I mean that's like that's that's what's fun
00:39:53
about the song you know so um we just left that alone and and uh that was it we just we we were trying
00:40:01
to write songs together you know but it was it's really hard to get things going in that you know
00:40:08
writing songs well I mean I remember at that time too I mean that that buck cherry I mean I just know
00:40:17
from being in the business at that time the buck cherry was like kind of the the idea of doing buck
00:40:23
cherry again industry-wise because the second record you know which again I stay I still stand behind
00:40:29
as a great record but it was not commercially successful it was a huge drop off from the first record
00:40:34
in the industry eyes and you know as well as I do the industry is like you know you're as hot as
00:40:39
what you did lately so you know it was it was a climb for you guys to be able to pull this back
00:40:44
together again and to be able to get anything happening so you basically the record started out
00:40:50
very DIY I mean it was just just you guys going in and doing it on a shoestring right there was no
00:40:56
deal or anything that's exactly right I mean uh no one cared about buck cherry at that point
00:41:03
like you're saying you know and and to me time bomb is like a really great buck cherry record you
00:41:09
know it's a it's a hidden gem if you're a buck cherry fan you should you should uh kind of dig and go
00:41:15
check that one out but um yeah so no one cared no one would sign but we had the demos to 15 together
00:41:24
and and we couldn't get a record deal in the United States it's funny and we got a small deal in
00:41:30
Japan Sony Japan gave us a small deal very very small advance that's why we called the record 15
00:41:36
because we recorded it in 15 days you know and um and our manager at the time was like well
00:41:44
fuck this I'll just start my own label and that's how 117 got started Allen Kovac started that and
00:41:50
to put out 15 and he's like and we'll just put it out on on my label and then we got an upstreaming
00:41:57
clause with Atlantic records and you know to distribute it and and if they wanted to you know
00:42:04
take it on eventually they could um but they weren't biting at that time and then um
00:42:09
you know a long story short I mean everything you know every every way you looked at it it just
00:42:17
looked like it was going to fail an effective way you know but that's why when uh my space was uh
00:42:24
kind of a big thing and so we had a my space page for buck cherry and um we were about to do a video
00:42:32
for next to you as far as the first single and all sudden just thousands and thousands and
00:42:40
thousands of lessons of crazy bitch started happening and we were like oh my god this song is like
00:42:46
taken off on my space and then then there was like a million streams and then we got word that like
00:42:53
radio stations were doing their own edits and playing it without us even asking them and so we're
00:42:58
like we got a fucking we got a move on this we get we got a jump ship on next to you and go to
00:43:03
a crazy bitch and and then you know what happened it just fucking was just phenomenal and it just
00:43:09
took off and and uh then everybody want to be our friend again funny how that works and uh I
00:43:17
mean I I remember I remember it all clearly because like I said I mean I don't I will never say
00:43:24
this lightly if it wasn't the case but I was there I mean I I have a handwritten note from Keith on
00:43:29
my wall saying thank you for being there first and believing because uh he was sent yeah I don't
00:43:35
know if you know this but I mean he was sending me demo he was sending me this stuff from the studio
00:43:40
and I was putting it on the radio and I remember him telling me I don't know what we're going to do
00:43:43
with it I don't know what's going to happen so I just followed the whole arc and uh you know I
00:43:48
remember when it went to it had the Japanese release and then it went to 11 7 and then it eventually like
00:43:55
you said upstream to Atlantic and things really started to take off and I tell you I mean it was just
00:44:01
for you guys to just hang in there and to keep working it and to watch it grow from nothing to what
00:44:07
it became into a double platinum record is just I mean I it's rewarding as hell for me and I just
00:44:14
helped out you know getting getting it out there a little bit for you guys and how to feel like
00:44:18
tremendous vindication because like you said earlier I mean but cherry was considered like old news
00:44:24
and damaged goods after two records yeah it was a great lesson in faith really for us you know because
00:44:32
we just uh we stayed out of the results state focus on you know our outcome which is
00:44:40
writing the best songs we could you know write at the time and just being the best of who we were
00:44:46
you know and uh listen you know this band has been the black sheep of rock music from the beginning
00:44:53
from the first record you know and we've never fit into any kind of genre of rock because
00:44:59
everybody kind of lumps us in with like 80s rock bands and it's like we were we we we dropped our
00:45:05
record at the end of 90s you know so our first record you know so it's like we came out when there
00:45:14
was rap rock and shoe gays or nerd rock I called it you know the guys were in a buddy holly glasses
00:45:20
and looking down at those shoes playing rock you know and uh that's when we came out so knowing
00:45:27
you know we were like on our own little island you know because uh and I think that was like
00:45:33
that's why people liked us you know and then we brought it live and and that was like a huge part of
00:45:38
our our whole thing was to be great live and um and that's it and we worked really hard on the road
00:45:45
you know still to this day so you know that was really we laid the foundation so you know even when
00:45:51
industry people were like you know disenchanted with like you know getting into business with us it
00:45:58
didn't we we didn't worry about that because we already knew what we had created we already knew
00:46:03
what we were capable of you know we we'd already been to Woodstock 99 we'd been all around the world
00:46:08
we'd had a hit song we had a couple hit songs before you know 15 so like uh you know we didn't
00:46:17
worry about it we knew that as all we need to do is just get it out there and start getting on the
00:46:23
road and things will start happening yeah man and you bring up a great point about how you guys
00:46:28
came on to the scene because that's what attracted to me to the band so much right out of the gate
00:46:32
was the fact that here was a band that was coming out and just bringing it real raw live no frigging
00:46:39
tracks laptops no bullshit you're just plugging in and playing and I mean that first record it's a
00:46:44
killer record too and it was just like for me you know at that point I'm already in the industry almost
00:46:49
20 years but I was kind of disillusioned with some of the rock music going on and when I heard that
00:46:54
first record and I was like you know here and stuff like crushed and lit up and all the and you know
00:46:59
for the movies and all this stuff I was like whoa this is this this is how it's done like
00:47:03
this is a new band bringing it like this so you know I was all in from the get go and it was it was
00:47:10
unique for its time in that it was what you guys were doing was kind of like a throwback to what
00:47:15
you know real rock and roll supposed to be like that's why I was so floored like you I'm sure that
00:47:21
that time bomb didn't happen because you know you could say well you guys followed it up with a
00:47:26
dud but you followed up with an equally if not even better record and you know I never forget I
00:47:31
came to see you guys on that tour at Irving Plaza I remember you played Irving Plaza on the time
00:47:36
bomb tour in New York and I remember coming to see you guys and I was just astonished that it wasn't
00:47:42
you know that record didn't connect and then the band kind of dissolved a little bit like you
00:47:47
said so 15 is just it's surreal to look at and see what it's become and what it's done and you know
00:47:53
you mentioned crazy bitch which is obviously a huge song for you guys I remember when you went to
00:48:00
11 7 you were working with a woman was working the record by the name of Katie McNeil and she sent me
00:48:08
the song and she said we think we're gonna go with this and I gotta tell you bro because I'm just
00:48:13
honest I was like what who's gonna play that you know like how is that gonna get on the radio like
00:48:20
what are you gonna do with that and then you know shows how much I know that it became this you know
00:48:26
massive song and still is to this day they had to edit the shit out of it for FM but it was
00:48:31
incredible so I was in that school of like now you should put everything out or put next to you
00:48:37
out or something like that did it surprise you that that crazy bitch has become what it's become like
00:48:43
did you know it out of the gate or were you shocked at the success of it did not know it out of the
00:48:50
gate I just thought it'd be a great like song for our core fan base you know live it would be fun
00:48:57
and people would you know enjoy it when people who got the record you know didn't think it was
00:49:03
gonna be what it became you know and that's usually always the case with really big hit songs you know you
00:49:09
just don't know you know it's always at the end of the day you can think you got a great song and
00:49:14
but the public really decides you know at the end of the day and and that's the day decided that's
00:49:19
what they wanted you know and what you're saying is you know rock and roll used to be dangerous and
00:49:25
it's just not dangerous anymore you know that's why it you know you could put a song out like that and
00:49:31
you know kind of mute the bad words and people knew what it was and they there is into it you know now
00:49:38
there's no way a song like crazy bitch could you know have any kind of legs I don't I don't believe
00:49:46
you know in this day and age for a rock band but if it was like you know broken down in a hip-hop
00:49:51
form out it would do great why do you think this song connected so much Josh do you think it's
00:49:58
because everybody knows a crazy bitch at one point in their life and been through that I mean what
00:50:03
why do you think it touched a nerve and so many people connected with it I think that's funny
00:50:08
about the song is that a lot of women love it you know right and you wouldn't you wouldn't think
00:50:14
that a woman would love it you know like saying crazy bitches not good for a woman but like I think
00:50:21
they see the the naughtiness in it and it's fun and I think every girl wants to there there's a crazy
00:50:29
bitch in every girl and and it's just a girl I kind of just being let out of her cage to have fun
00:50:34
you know and to get out of adulting for a day and you know just be a fucking wild you know
00:50:40
beautiful thing you know what I mean I don't know that's the way that's kind of the feeling I get
00:50:46
when I when I see women you know when we start playing the song and the crowded rocks and you
00:50:52
just see women around the the crowd just you know dancing like you know this is this is what they
00:50:59
waited for all night you know it's it's pretty cool the other song that became huge from this record
00:51:05
that I you know routinely still will here in my local supermarket is the the ballad sorry
00:51:12
did you know that one was going to be special when you first wrote and recorded it
00:51:16
yeah I didn't know it was good you know um we got sorry to a really good place on our own and then we
00:51:24
just thought it needed something and and that's how far back I go with Marty Frederickson we got
00:51:29
Marty Frederickson into the fold and he heard the song and he did a little tweak of the chorus and
00:51:34
just made it a little better and it just kind of opened up the song and then he put some bridge
00:51:40
music on it you know and I wrote a melody and some lyrics to that and it was done and it was like wow
00:51:47
this song is fucking amazing now you know and and that's the thing you know he's he's a he's really
00:51:53
great I really enjoy working with him and you still do right you still have used him on the recent
00:51:59
records too right oh yeah he's we're making the best records of our lives right now it's great we
00:52:05
got a we got a new one we're going to drop June 13th oh okay cool we'll look forward to that um
00:52:12
so the the other thing you know with this record as I mentioned before from the lineup that
00:52:17
made this record yourself it's yourself and Stevie are still obviously in the current version of
00:52:23
buck cherry but um you know Jimmy Keith Xavier the the three other guys that were part of this at
00:52:29
the time are you in touch with any of them still is there any do you have any communication with
00:52:33
them or anything? I am not no I mean I saw Xavier not too long ago I think that Sturgis and
00:52:40
gave Mahog and you know but I mean we don't we don't hang out I mean there's nothing really you know
00:52:45
people always like think that you know when you when you're in a band and at this level you know
00:52:51
it's it's about it's about the work and when the work stops I mean you just move on and you know
00:52:56
actually Stevie is the longest running guitar player in buck cherry he's been there since 15
00:53:02
and he's been here all you know ever since he's he's he's been in the band the longest
00:53:06
yeah time wise I would besides you that would absolutely be the case now I know that uh
00:53:13
I saw in the notes here that when you guys play throughout this year this new year of 25 you're
00:53:19
going to be playing the album minutes entirety right? Oh yeah some select gigs for sure
00:53:26
not at all of them so there's certain ones you will do it but you're not going to do it everywhere
00:53:31
no because we got we also have another we got a record we're going to drop our 11th record it's
00:53:38
called Roar like Thunder and it comes out June 13th and when will there be music from that when
00:53:45
do you plan to put it first song out from that we're we're doing both the videos for the singles
00:53:50
in February so I think March they're going to drop the first single okay when you play 15
00:53:57
in see in in in in it's entirety the shows you do do that are you going to do it in sequence or
00:54:03
you're just going to do it throughout the show and play every song at some point? No we're not going
00:54:07
to do it in sequence but we have a lot of songs you got to you have to get to all the usual suspects
00:54:13
not just 15 but like you know so you know we got to throw I just I I uh I construct a set the way
00:54:22
I need you for my voice you know and tempos and keys of songs all that stuff plays into it but you know
00:54:28
it'll be fun trust me. One other note here the so there's going to be a 20th anniversary edition
00:54:36
deluxe edition of 15 that comes out this Friday um talk about what is extra on there and what you
00:54:43
added to it. Yeah Stephen I did uh some really cool takes acoustically on the songs we
00:54:52
did um brookland onset and crazy bitch acoustically and uh so those are like never been heard and those
00:55:01
are on it and they're just like they're different takes from the song you know and and uh really great.
00:55:07
And there's also a cover of Elvis Costello pump it up you did that at the time that you recorded 15
00:55:14
was it something that didn't make the record? Yeah I didn't know that was that was happening but uh
00:55:21
yeah that's a bit a long time as I've heard that song but um I forget when we did that song honestly
00:55:27
but uh it's a good song. Yeah no and that's that's being included uh on this collection so it's you
00:55:34
can get it as a double LP also CD and again it's out on Friday the uh the special 20th anniversary
00:55:42
edition um hey man I can't let you go I know you're in LA I can't let you go without asking you about
00:55:47
the fires are you and your family okay? We're okay but it's it's been really uh it's been really crazy man
00:55:55
and um the cool thing is that we've you know everybody's come together all the angelinos and everybody's
00:56:02
you know starting to help out and come together and and that's a wonderful thing but it's it's uh
00:56:08
it's really crazy that there's you know there's people that are trying to start fires you know um
00:56:17
I can't believe it I can't even believe how you know what an awful time we're living in as far as
00:56:23
humanity is concerned you know about it's it's really it's really shitty that you know people
00:56:29
see all this on the news and they go out there and try to start more fires in LA you know um I don't
00:56:34
even understand it you know um hopefully those people are being prosecuted and and and caught and
00:56:42
all that stuff but um that's a drag but you know the cool thing is everybody's coming together
00:56:46
um and uh you know I just pray for everybody who's lost their homes or been affected by this
00:56:54
did he get close to you did you have to evacuate or anything or it never got too close to your area
00:57:00
haven't had to evacuate yet and it's still going on in a big way so um but uh not yet and you know
00:57:10
thank god but you know not a lot a lot of people who have yeah it's so do I I mean I know more people in
00:57:17
LA than probably anywhere else in the country and uh it's just you know hearing different stories
00:57:22
from different people who have been affected who are almost affected and again you bring up a good
00:57:26
point man it is still it it's still not totally out of the woods I mean there I know there's still
00:57:31
areas that are under potential evacuation and all of that and it's just it's just crazy you know
00:57:36
you're not the first person that I talked to a either that told me which just blows my
00:57:41
fucking mind out that their biggest concern is that there are people still trying to actually set
00:57:46
fires like that there's just no words for that like that's just sick beyond words and I mean
00:57:53
those people should be thrown into the fires in my opinion I mean they should be dropped into the
00:57:57
flames in my opinion there's no should be no justice for them it's fucked up it's really fucked up
00:58:03
and you know hopefully they'll be handled by somebody you know but yeah I don't I thought you can
00:58:10
hope for I you know I saw David spade on his Instagram he offered five thousand dollars to anybody
00:58:17
who cat who who catches one of these persons and and gets them arrested or you know stops them
00:58:23
and so I was just like this dude is amazing David spades really a great guy to do that you know
00:58:31
yeah it's a shame something like that has to even be offered that we have people that sick that would
00:58:36
do something like that but yeah props to him for doing it well I'm glad you're okay at the moment man
00:58:42
and as far as tour dates what do you have coming up busy year ahead always man you know there's
00:58:50
a lot of stuff in the works right now we're filling up the summer but right now we're leaving
00:58:56
Saturday and we're going to ship rocked I'm going to Miami and we're going to do ship rocks so that'll
00:59:00
be fun and then we're coming back we got you know some flight aids in February and then March we'll
00:59:07
start touring you know pretty heavily are you still doing any of this the side bands that you
00:59:13
were doing with Stevie you know the conflict or that other one was it spray gun or something like
00:59:19
that are you still doing any of the other stuff the conflict is so great you know it's funny bring
00:59:25
up that record I revisited that record because I'm writing a script that I want to get it to give
00:59:31
it away but the conflict music is in it and I revisited that record I'm like this fucking record
00:59:37
is so great you know I really really enjoy doing that record and that was that that was a real
00:59:42
moment for Stevie and I you know it was our first record we had done together it was it was a lot of
00:59:46
fun and speaking of records well since we were talking about 15 before I should mention during that
00:59:53
time that the band wasn't really active I think it was in that window you made a solo record that is
00:59:58
killer called you you made me was the name of it wasn't it that was a long that was before 15
01:00:06
right that's what I'm saying it was in the gap between the second and third record
01:00:11
yes I did I made that yeah that that's a killer record man is that is that out can people hear that
01:00:18
anywhere I don't know may you might be able to find it I have no idea do you like that record do you
01:00:25
look back finally on that as well you know there's a lot of stuff that is attached to that it's hard
01:00:32
for me to listen to it but um you know at the time I was very very happy with it yeah no I think
01:00:39
there's some great stuff on I have it on CD I know and I listen to it still so um we'll listen
01:00:44
man it's good catching up with you again I'm glad you and the family are okay there in L.A. and
01:00:49
um everybody check out the 20th edition 20th anniversary edition of 15 it is out everywhere on
01:00:57
Friday in the formats we mentioned and digitally as well and um I know you guys are road dogs so I'm
01:01:02
sure I'll see you out there somewhere on the road this year thanks for the time man I'll talk to
01:01:06
you soon okay yes sir be good bye all right see you Josh there he goes everybody Josh Todd uh from
01:01:14
buck cherry checking in and yeah it's still hard to believe it's uh 20 years he obviously has with
01:01:22
that solo record it sounds like there's some things attached to it that he was not happy about
01:01:27
maybe on a business level but that records a pretty slam and record and I remember hearing that
01:01:32
record and it gave me hope that the band was gonna start up again which eventually they did and then
01:01:37
that turned into this third record which we just talked about that's 20 years old and you know two
01:01:43
huge songs on that record in with sorry and uh crazy bitch and then you have some other songs that
01:01:49
did pretty well also and those guys are road warriors man they play I mean they've been playing for
01:01:56
years everywhere all over the place so you'll play plenty opportunities to see them and uh they're
01:02:01
still doing it plugging in playing live and got a lot of respect for that as you guys know well thanks
01:02:06
to jt much appreciated and thanks earlier today perner for joining me on this week's podcast
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01:03:36
I just want to say rest in peace to my favorite one of my all time favorite guitar players and a friend
01:03:43
John Sykes shocking news coming down earlier this week that John Sykes has passed away at the age
01:03:49
of 65 years old he was absolutely one of my all time favorite players he was a friend we had a
01:03:56
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