As an author, journalist and broadcaster, Dr Julia Baird has spent the last decade researching awe, wonder, grace and forgiveness (...and now the title makes sense!).

Finding joy and purpose through ocean swimming, Julia shows us how impactful nature and community can be when we say yes to adventure (and also what to do when caught in a rip).

With Josh out sick, Ryan and Hugh do the heavy lifting with bountiful good questions, Ryan becomes enlightened and discovers the meaning behind church (no really, he’s onto something), and Hugh and Ryan get deep with Julia and discuss the role of justice in forgiveness and the place of grace in today’s society.

Julia, it was such an honour, and definitely a name ticked off our dream-guest bucket list.

To watch the full episode on YouTube click here - https://youtu.be/3Xjy4eABOQ4

🎧Things to listen to:

• Not Stupid podcast with Julia Baird and Jeremy Fernandez - https://apple.co/4h3mhIS
• Grace Tame - “Sexy-time, Scissoring, Autism” - https://apple.co/404jXv7
• All that really matters - Teddy Swims - https://bit.ly/3NmAt26
• Renegades: Born in the USA with Barack Obama and Bruce Springsteen - https://apple.co/3BJbhQW

📖 Things to read

• Julia Baird’s ‘Staying Upright’ ABC column - https://ab.co/4f31HGN
• Phosphorescence by Julia Baird - https://bit.ly/3Y2MK0M
• Bright Shining by Julia Baird - https://bit.ly/4eNfaCX
• Silent Spring by Rachel Carlson - https://bit.ly/3NpOhcf
• The Sense of Wonder by Rachel Carlson - https://bit.ly/3A5UPcP
• The Sound of a Wild Snail Eating by Elisabeth Tova Bailey - https://amzn.to/3A1w3L1
• AWE by Dacher Keltner - https://amzn.to/3BGEk7E
• The Courage To Be Disliked by Ichiro Kishimi and Fumitake Koga

📺 Things to watch

• Barack Obama singing Amazing Grace - https://bit.ly/3BG1WsV
• The Pool documentary - https://thepoolfilm.au

🌊 Information about Ocean Swimming Groups

• Phosphorescence Swimming Group (Melbourne) - https://bit.ly/488EWPp
• Margaret River Swimming Group - https://ab.co/4dKT02P

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