“Complacency looks like busyness, feels like comfort, and sounds like excuses.”
Chris Robinson, EVP at Maxwell Leadership Entrepreneurial Solutions and author of From Drift to Drive, joins Nathan for a deeply personal and practical conversation about how to stop drifting and start driving—with clarity, action, and intention.

Chris shares his raw journey from chasing a baseball dream, to six college expulsions, to selling perfume on the streets—ultimately rising to become a leader, husband, and father who lives out excellence every day.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone feeling stuck, distracted by perfectionism, or unsure of what comes next. You’ll walk away with real tools to regain focus, overcome complacency, and become more than before.

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⏱️ Timestamps & Chapter Titles:

00:10 – Intro: Mastering Everything from Pickleball to Sales
01:29 – Childhood Dreams & Deion Sanders Influence
02:23 – Six College Expulsions and the Sales Gift
03:34 – First Sales Lesson: The $10 Yard Cutting Job
06:34 – Work Ethic, Creativity & Lessons from Parents
09:02 – Perfume Sales, Napoleon Hill & the Personal Growth Spark
12:27 – The DUI Wake-Up Call & Handcuffs on the Curb
17:19 – Balancing Family and Business: Build Around What Matters
21:00 – Teaching Wisdom Over Giving Things to Your Kids
23:03 – Which Kids Have the Entrepreneur Bug?
24:43 – Kids Are Your Responsibility—Not Your Motivation
25:12 – From Solopreneur to Serving Under John Maxwell
27:35 – "I'll Never Write a Book" to Publishing From Drift to Drive
31:03 – Action Answers Questions: Learn a Little, Do a Little
33:58 – Careless Security: The Root of Complacency
36:17 – Perfectionism vs. Excellence: The Big Trap
39:06 – Real-Life Drift: Finances, Marriage & Focus
42:38 – Letting Go of Image: Imposter Syndrome & Responsibility
45:08 – From Star to Star Creator: The Shift that Changed Everything
49:46 – Living Significantly with Limited Resources
52:27 – Faith, Sobriety & Divine Intervention
55:04 – Media, Consumption & Focused Growth
56:49 – Chris’s God-Sized Vision: NYT Bestseller & Becoming More