Erin and Kat welcome their first guest - Barbi Alexander - to talk about what it means to survive and persevere to build a better world, even when all odds are stacked against you. What is it about us that have experienced harm that makes us want to make sure no one else is ever hurt, rather than go on to perpetuate harm onto others? How does this show up for those of us who choose a life of public service?

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***Music for this episode is "Callisto" by Katie Double***

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