Lionel is joined by Evan Osnos, leading political journalist for The New Yorker and author of Joe Biden - The Life, the Run and What Matters Now.
After days of 253 etched in our brains as we glared at the ticker across our tv screens - news outlets finally called it for President Elect Joe Biden.
In this episode Osnos discusses the personal tragedies in Biden's life. He also talks about what the future holds for the special relationship with the UK and how he will get on with Prime Minister Boris Johnson; as well as reflecting on how the next few months will work out for President Trump.