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Ep. 6. Is DEI doomed? An HR director speaks!

Ep. 6. Is DEI doomed? An HR director speaks!

Update: 2024-09-18
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In this ground-breaking episode, a sensible, experienced, centrist HR director busts multiple taboos - answering questions about how and why DEI has gone wrong in so many organisations. Neil Morrison, group HR director at Severn Trent, gets into race, disability, trans inclusion, Israel/Gaza… the lot. We cover:


- Was it a mistake for brands to rush in with statements about Black Lives Matter? 

- Why are so many DEI professionals overstepping their role into policing employees’ words – and sometimes even their thoughts?

- What problems is bad practice in DEI creating for organisations internally? (Think productivity, retention and grievances)

- Is it time to consider the impact on recruitment and employer brand? For example, have John Lewis's bold statements around gender identity put some people off applying to work there?


Could this conversation be a turning point for HR? The start of a collective effort to investigate where we’ve lost our way, and how to navigate a path to ways of working that are more productive – and genuinely inclusive? Let's hope so.


This was such a brilliant conversation that we've split it into three episodes - this is the first. Episodes 7 and 8 (coming soon) will cover:


- Whose fault are the DEI-related lawsuits – and are organisations taking notice?

- Have staff networks suffered from mission creep – and where is the quality control for external training?

- Why are so many Heads of DEI behaving like activists?

- Can HR directors continue to ignore the problems that bad DEI is creating? (Spoiler: No!)

- Should DEI professionals start looking for new jobs?


If you love or loathe DEI, this conversation will challenge you. If you take a centrist view and think it's time for HR professionals to start talking more honestly about the challenges that our organisations face, it will feel like a breath of fresh air. Here’s to more discussion - enjoy the episode!


PS. If this conversation chimes with you, our podcast host Tanya de Grunwald is collecting senior HR professionals who share Neil's view that bad practice in DEI is proving to be problematic, with the aim of finding solutions together. If this is you, please contact Tanya via LinkedIn. Thank you!

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Ep. 6. Is DEI doomed? An HR director speaks!

Ep. 6. Is DEI doomed? An HR director speaks!

Tanya de Grunwald