Well as promised, "chat with a pastor" is back and today we have one of my favorites, Pastor Shaun Howard. Shaun and his wife Annie are good friends of ours, and anytime we get the opportunity to sit and talk, it's such a gift. Today we talk about how to lead in a culture with such political division and pastors having moral failures; as well as a really good conversation about friendship.

This is my first episode I recorded with someone else since starting back this year, and it was SO nice to ease back in with someone like Shaun. I pray you are encouraged, pointed closer to Jesus through our conversation.

Grab a cup of coffee or your favorite drink and join us as we pour it out!

*To hear my first conversation withPastor Shaun, listen here:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4CYzCrbuRK3QpSAXms9nm9?si=J6AebmMPRpCWcuycduBQBA