Podcast host and strength coach, Arlo Gagestein, sits down with Jiu-Jitsu black belt and owner of Alpha Counseling and Treatment, Jeff "The Ginja Nina" Moore to discuss the appeal and benefits of doing difficult things.

Thanks to Jeff for joining Arlo at 4am for the final 4 snowy miles of his 24-hour, 30-mile project marathon, then immediately recording the 1st episode of Dabbling in Discomfort. Jeff's insight both as a therapist and a fellow seeker of uncomfortable experiences, make him the perfect guest for this show! Listen as these long-time friends and training partners discuss the project marathon, high elevation jiu-jitsu tournaments, mental games, and the benefits of venturing outside your comfort zone.

To learn more about Jeff and his work, visit www.UtahsBestTherapy.com and follow Jeff's podcast, the Guerrilla Social Work podcast.