Follow the 40 year journey of one piece of legislation about adoption and how it finally got passed this year! Guests: Gregory Luce and Penelope Needham 

0:00 Introductions
4:26 How did you think this process was going to work when you first started advocating at the Capitol?
9:00 How do you work to fight a dominant narrative that you want legislators to unlearn? 
10:39 Who in this process had power to be helpful? 
11:34 Can you say more about the time when you came close, but it fell apart? 
19:14 How do you keep showing up? Can you talk about your emotional journey with this? 
23:12 How are relationships a part of what makes this happen? Are they authentic? 
26:25 Is there advice you’d give yourself when you were first starting out? 
29:54 Is there work ahead about overseeing the implementation of this bill?