What does it feel like to be the pieces on the game board rather than the players? Two activists who advocate from outside the system remind us that its the community that matters. Guests: Monica Hurtado and Vina Kay 

0:00 Introductions 
3:08 How is the reality of working at the capitol different than what you were taught?7:16 Do you have a story that about a time decision makers didn’t have the full picture? 15:12 What barriers make the capitol inaccessible?
24:00 Can you share a story about the abundance mindset, and how one community being raised up helps another?
34:34 Are the barriers themselves explicitly racist or white supremacist or are they just, they just happen to work well to protect a system that will began white supremacist?37:44 What keeps you coming back to this work? 
41:06 Do you think it’s good to agitate people? 
43:11 What do you see in Minnesota 20, 50 years from now?