In episode seven of The Good Oil Podcast, Cam has a long and lively discussion with Destiny Church leader, Brian Tamaki.

From his beginnings in Te Awamutu to his rise as one of the country's most controversial figures, Cam discovers the man behind the headlines.

They tackle the hot-button topics: gender wars, religion, what the future holds for New Zealand, and a program close to his heart: Man Up.

A free-flowing, thought-provoking discussion you won’t want to miss!

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