Guitarist, editor and writer Jon Fine came up in the US indie-rock movement of the 1980s, most notably with rock trio B***h Magnet.

In his engrossing memoir of a decade ago Your Band Sucks, Jon gives an entertaining and insightful look at how the indie-rock landscape evolved over those years and his part in it.

Having at times extracted himself from an underground, DIY music world that doesn't always give back what is put into it, Fine is back and as energised as ever with his current instrumental-rock three-piece We Contain Multitudes (including former B***h Magnet drummer Orestes Morfin, as well as bassist Simon Kobayashi).

Back in June the band released their great, weaving, winding (and rocking) debut Minako, and ⁠I interviewed Jon for New Noise Magazine⁠

Now Jon graciously sits down to talk with me again as we dive into the world of DIY music in more depth.

Last month I bit the bullet and said, "ok, I'm really working on this book about underground, DIY music" and this episode is probably the most in depth discussion I've had about the realities of DIY music making.

Of course we also talk We Contain Multitudes, Minako and what the band has planned for the future.

Listen to or purchase ⁠Minako from Expert Work Records⁠

Follow ⁠We Contain Multitudes on Instagram⁠

Thanks to Dan at Discipline PR for setting up the original interview

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Intro music: "Detachment" by Tom Osman

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