In this special episode recorded live during San Francisco Climate Week, Marc O’Brien and Katie Patrick dig into why we’re stuck in a doom-heavy narrative—and what it’ll take to design for the future we actually want. From breaking down the “value-action gap” to calling out the overreliance on financial incentives and education as motivators, Katie challenges us to rewire how we think about change. This is a conversation about systems, behavior, and possibility. About moving beyond facts and fear. About shifting from problem-obsession to solution momentum. Maybe it’s time to rethink everything.

Together, they explore a playful prompt that sparks fresh ideas about reconnecting with nature, community, and each other. From imagining a “Pug Cafe” to considering the role animals could play in urban sustainability and healing social divides, they reveal how warmth, creativity, and unexpected connections might be the keys to building climate resiliency and bridging polarized communities.

This episode blends thoughtful critique with hopeful dreaming, inviting listeners to reimagine what’s possible when design, empathy, and a touch of whimsy come together.