Gardening at Night
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This week on the podcast join jD and Rico as they examine the second track from Chronic Town, Gardening at Night.
Transcript:
[0:15 ] It's J.D. here, and I'm joined as always by Rico Borrego to discuss the work of influential American band R.E.M.
Every week we'll explore a different song in the band's catalog, working through the discography in chronological order to better understand just why this four-piece band is considered soseminal, innovative, and downright awesome. So there's that.
Talk to me, Rico. How the hell are things going? going oh going good um this last week here i tried to prep for this episode try to go outside and do a little gardening except it's uh winterand uh everything is dead so what's winter like in sacramento you know it's it's not bad it's pretty like um it's not cold like it doesn't ever really get cold even at night it's still pretty likeyou know we don't really get frost so we don't get snow um but and we can make it in a little bit more rain than normal which me originally being from washington state i'm used to thatright um but no it's still and i think like next week we're creeping up into the high 60s low 70s oh nice so yeah even though it's only you know it's still winter here it's it's already going tostart warming up um so no but But no gardening, unfortunately.
[1:39 ] Not even cutting the grass. We have an orange tree. Pick some oranges, but that's about it. You have an orange tree?
Yeah, we do. Oh, man.
When I lived in LA, we had a banana tree. Oh, nice.
Until the monkeys came.
[1:59 ] Oh, that used to be one of my stand-up jokes. Yeah. You can tell why I don't do stand-up anymore.
A lot of, I see a lot of lemon trees, too, though, here. Oh, yeah?
[2:15 ] Lemons, limes. Oh, man, citrus on trees. That's fucking great.
Which somehow connects to this episode, I think.
Yeah, you've sort of given it away. And, I mean, the title of the episode is going to give it away as well.
But we're talking about gardening at night today so pretty exciting this is one of my favorite songs on chronic town probably my probably my favorite song yeah maybe radio they saywhy oh no radio free europe's not on it yeah duh um what's what's your favorite i think our last episode wolves lower wolves lower okay but this this is like this would be clear numbertwo like Like, it is close.
Yeah. To me, this is the other really standout track from the CP.
I think I have those inverted. For me, this is one, and Love's Lower would be two.
But maybe it's one A and one B. You know what I mean?
I can see that. And I only think this way because, for me, this song, we'll get into it a little later, I'm sure, is kind of like a segue into another song off Murmur.
It has a very similar style to another song that i think they do a little better on murmur oh wow um they're not identical but i just feel like this song is like a precursor to that songinteresting i can't wait till we get there.
[3:35 ] But uh no i gardening at night is a classic for their early life absolutely when you think this is on their first release and it sounds so mature yeah i mean the the songwriting especiallyon this song, um, as we'll get to like, is actually a little bit more complex than some of the stuff on murmur. Even talk to me.
[3:58 ] I think this song you get, like you have an intro, you have verses, you have a chorus, simple chorus, then you have a post-course which online, some people consider it a bridge, butit happened more than once.
So I consider it a post-course. It happened after.
Yeah. A bridge just once. and then there's even like a bridge an actual bridge after like the last chorus where it sounds different than the intro and it sounds different than the post chorus,um but it's super short and it segues back into that intro and so it kind of bookmarks you know the intro happens at the beginning and at the end um and you know i think on a lot of songson murmur they're a little bit more simple they're kind of more just like verse chorus verse chorus They'll hold out that chorus. They'll make you wait for it.
Yeah, the song, it has a lot of energy. It has the same amount of energy as Wolf's Lower, but this song has a much wider bounce to it.
It doesn't sound as dark, not as impressive. Makes you want to dance.
Yeah, yeah. Kind of in a similar way that Radio Free Europe does.
Yeah. I can picture jumping up and down to this song.
Yeah. Well, I was 11 when this came out, so maybe not. No, I wasn't even 11. I was 8.
[5:18 ] Yeah. So I wouldn't have been too much jumping up and down. I wasn't alive, so. I did zero jumping.
So what do you know? What do you know?
Well, I think the most important thing to note, Michael has gone to record saying that he feels that this is the first real song the band wrote.
I've heard that as well. Yes. He says after multiple failed attempts, they finally were able to get the song that he considered to be their first real piece of music.
It's not wild uh what else is crazy too is that um so the song was written in june of 1980, supposedly on a mattress in the front yard of a church in athens i read that what the hell churchyeah i guess which when we dive into the lyrics i think that the church might have some inspiration to the lyrics themselves oh wow and i can just envision michael stipe like writing lyricson a mattress like yeah like so weird.
Track 1:
[6:25 ] I mean.
Track 2:
[6:26 ] It makes like, you know, the band, they weren't, you know, they were barely a band at that point. Like people aren't going to like know them and recognize them.
So, um, but it's kind of interesting imagery to think about, you know, as someone who's never been to Athens, like I, you know, I don't really have a picture in my mind, but it's, it's funnyto read things like that.
Like just on a random mattress in the front yard in front of a church, you know, I wonder if it just struck him.
Like it just, the lyrics came to him and he had to get them out. You know what I mean?
Yeah. I don't. Well, cause when you go like to the song itself.
[7:01 ] Um, I've, I've read a ton of theories about what the song's about.
Some people think it's about his dad.
Some people think it's about drugs. Um, some people think it's actually about gardening in the night.
Like, you know, um, and Michael's gone on record saying that it's all of those things. Yeah. All of them. Yeah.
I don't get the drug one. I don't really necessarily get that.
I mean, Maybe the line's about the payphone or something, but I do wonder if there is a little bit of truth to it being about his dad, though, because when the band were inducted into theRock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2007, this was one of the songs they played, and he dedicated it to his dad before they played it.
Yes, that's right. They were inducted in 2007, right?
Yeah. Yeah, I think it was Eddie Vedder who inducted them, if I recall.
He definitely was there and did Man on the Moon with them. Oh, man.
[7:59 ] Yeah, I would pay so much money to have been there, even just to fly on the wall.
But yeah, I do think maybe it's about his dad.
[8:11 ] But at this point, too, Michael was very like, he didn't want to give the songs away, like what they were about.
Out well there is still some mumble to this song as well right for sure yeah especially the version on uh chronic town right because i'm gonna get to it a little bit later there's like fourdifferent versions of the song i've read that as well and i and i tracked them all down i've tracked them all down i've listened to them all damn and i actually don't think my favorite versionis the the one on Chronic Town.
[8:47 ] Um there's another one i prefer really yeah you'll have to get me my hands on that and we can play them both in this episode maybe yeah well i mean i could probably get you allfour of them really that might be a little too i don't know you might want to play maybe just clips, of some of the other ones because i'll just say now there's so there's four main versionsthere's this one on chronic town right yep then the one on eponymous they're kind of like greatest hits of the irs years that one has a completely different vocal take where um on thisversion on chronic town he sings in like almost like a head voice like it's it's not quite falsetto but it's kind of definitely it's it's definitely a higher register it's unique even for michael at thattime it's kind of different yeah and he would return to that style more and you know later albums but it's definitely different than anything else on even this ep but the one on eponymoushe's singing it like they would sing it live where he's singing it like very loud and like how he sings radio for europe or wolves lower right um you can make out the lyrics better oh andand the mix is different too even though online there's no claim that the only claim is that the vocal take is different but the mix is different too.
[10:08 ] There's less percussion actually there's more percussion in the eponymous version there's like an extra like tambourine in the verses okay and the guitars in the that post course aremixed totally differently they're a little like scaled back.
[10:26 ] And I kind of prefer it that way. I do think the production on Chronic Town is definitely a little bit more outdated than the production of the version on eponymous.
Are they both produced by Mitch Easter?
That one, like a demo? That one, I don't know.
I mean, I know he did th