As we approach the holidays, When We Disagree is re-releasing episodes about tough conversations with friends and family. This week's episodes are both about arguing with friends about conspiracy theories. When college student Victor Dupont’s coworker claimed the moon was a government projection and gravity a hoax, he found himself face-to-face with a flat-Earth believer—and the limits of argument. In this episode, Victor explores what it’s like to reason with conspiracy-minded friends, why certainty can feel so seductive, and where open-mindedness meets gullibility. From TikTok-fueled misinformation to the comfort of “knowing” what others don’t, this conversation asks: how do we talk across worlds that no longer share the same facts?

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