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A messy, beautiful October turned into a bigger move: adding Rhonda as our new co‑host and doubling down on leadership that feels human, not performative. We open the door to our coffee-table conversations and invite you into a space where creativity, neuroscience, and lived experience meet practical tools you can use right away.

Rhonda brings a joy-driven approach to transformation that rejects rigid change management and embraces experimentation, play, and presence. Together, we unpack everyday creativity—not as painting or perfection, but as the act of connecting unlikely ideas, testing quickly, and learning in public. We dive into neuroaesthetics and why aesthetic experiences like music, movement, and museums can regulate stress, boost attention, and strengthen emotional intelligence. From social prescribing to team rituals, we explore how leaders can design environments that reduce burnout and spark better thinking, especially in a world reshaped by AI.

We also talk openly about imposter feelings, burnout from corporate life, and the courage to share the messy middle. Leadership shows up at home, in friend groups, on panels, and at work—far beyond job titles. You’ll hear about mirror believers, the people who reflect your energy and help you keep momentum, and how to build a personal board of directors that includes cheerleaders, challengers, and truth-tellers. The goal is simple: curate the circle that lifts you, protect your energy, and choose actions that leave others better than you found them.

If you’ve ever felt “not creative” or boxed out by formal leadership, this conversation gives you language, evidence, and small steps to move forward. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs a nudge, and tell us what you want us to dig into next—we’re shaping this journey with you.

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