In this episode, I sit down with my good friend Elinor to talk about navigating conversations about Israel and Palestine in the wake of October 7th 2023. We recount some difficult discussions, why it’s been so easy to feel misunderstood — or to misunderstand others, and how our backgrounds shape the way we see things. We also get into how tech — especially social media and resulting disembodied conversations — amplifies extremes, pigeonholes, and makes it harder to have thoughtful, nuanced dialogue. This is not about taking sides. It’s about how to stay human in the middle of something painful and complex.