Harriet is joined by Joe Scotland, director of Clapham-based arts organisation, Studio Voltaire. Born in Coventry in 1978, Joe initially trained as an artist, studying textiles at Goldsmiths, but he soon became less interested in making art, and more interested in making space for it. Joe joined Studio Voltaire in 2003 and became director in 2010. Since then, the organisation has become one of the most respected visual art non-profits in the country, with shows by legends like Phyllida Barlow and Anthea Hamilton to breakout names like Danielle Braithwaite-Shirley. Joe looks back on childhood, where art didn't play a big role, but an early drag experience saw him come into his own, being confronted by issues of class in his early career and overcoming intense shyness. Joe has seen Studio Voltaire through 22 years of immense change, from its 2021 overhaul and increasing fundraising challenges, to a milestone show by Beryl Cook and Tom of Finland, who Joe now dubs his "queer parents". In 2023, he was awarded an MBE for services to the arts, a surreal moment that he never imagined for himself. 

In lieu of advice, Joe offers a refreshingly frank take on the economic climate for artists now. "Not to be a Debbie Downer, but a lot of the stuff that I've benefited from or has enabled all this to happen either doesn't exist or is being reduced. If I was the same person from the same family background growing up now, I would not be where I am. It's so difficult now and it doesn't feel like it's being properly addressed. For artists and creatives wanting to get into the industry now, it's so fucked. " We promised honesty on this podcast, and Joe certainly came through.