Warning: This episode contains strong language.

In this special episode for subscribers of “The Daily,” the host Michael Barbaro moderates a panel from The New York Times’s DealBook Summit, speaking with journalists and personalities from across the industry about the state of media in 2025.

Guest:

• Charlamagne Tha God, co-host of “The Breakfast Club” and “The Brilliant Idiots” and co-founder of The Black Effect Podcast Network
• Jon Favreau, co-founder of Crooked Media and host of “Pod Save America”
• Amna Nawaz, co-anchor and co-managing editor of “PBS NewsHour”
• David Remnick, editor of The New Yorker and host of “The New Yorker Radio Hour”
• Stephanie Ruhle, host of “The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle” on MS NOW
• Andrew Schulz, host of “The Brilliant Idiots” and “Flagrant”
• Ben Shapiro, co-founder of The Daily Wire and host of “The Ben Shapiro Show”

For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. 

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