In this episode we talk to Sophie Gigl and Benjamin Stuhr about their experiences with online teaching and what that very different setting of learning and studying has taught them about what they need most to make learning meaningful to them. Sophie and Benni are students at Bielefeld university; as Sophie is a teacher in training, she contributes experiences both as a student and as a teacher. In the second part, Benni and Sophie talk about what they have learned about themselves in regard to the way they learn and what they need in terms of a good learning experience. We talk about how important material and social conditions of learning are and what teachers can do to create community, overcome hierarchies that discourage learning and establish connection and relationship despite the online situation.