What explains the darkest corners of human behavior? In this episode, Vanessa and Natalie talk with psychologist Dr. Kate Balestrieri about the “dark triad”—psychopathy, narcissism, and Machiavellianism—and how these traits shape some of the infamous figures we’ve covered, from convicted cult leaders to alleged abusers. They explore the psychology behind these personalities, why they captivate us, and what it says about our culture.

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