This week, Jon and Vanessa are taking a much-deserved vacation, so with two-thirds of The Tofu Trio gone, instead of doing another weak-ass solo episode, Joey chats it up with his brother Jerome to get the non-vegan perspective on everything from plant-based meat to vegan activists. Will this be a constructive conversation, or just another episode of two brothers bickering? Tune in to find out!

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