Joey bookends this week's episode, which includes two interviews recorded during Jon and Vanessa's vegan cruise. First up, Vanessa interviews Holly Butler, a human dancing machine who went vegan for health reasons, but eventually became an ethical vegan. Then Jon interviews Nancy Illman, a 19-year vegan who decided to give up animal products after being told by a doctor that she needed surgery. Tune in to this week's episode to hear their stories.

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