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Panel Discussion - The Case for Microdosing: Why Legalization Matters

Panel Discussion - The Case for Microdosing: Why Legalization Matters

Update: 2023-01-25


Paul F. Austin hosts a panel discussion on advocacy for legalizing microdosing, and why it matters in the psychedelic movement.

This episode is a re-broadcast from the Into The Multiverse Podcast and was recorded in July 2022 in Los Angeles, CA, at the launch party of the Microdosing Collective, a non-profit dedicated to advancing and protecting the right to microdose. In a special panel discussion hosted by Paul F. Austin, four passionate leaders in the world of psychedelics discuss topics such as the history of microdosing, sacred rituals, the legal landscape, and how to safely advocate for microdosing. This discussion is a rebroadcast and was originally released on the Into The Multiverse Podcast

About the panelists:

Alli Schaper
Alli Schaper is an entrepreneur, community builder, speaker, mental-wellness advocate, and enthusiast for mushrooms and other psychedelic medicines. She is currently the CEO & Co-Founder of Into The Multiverse, an education-first ecosystem for all things fungi, whose mission is to rebrand functional mushrooms and encourage collaboration in the psychedelics industry. Her team has created the world's first functional mushroom marketplace, The Multiverse, and SuperMush, their in-house consumer lifestyle brand.

Her passion for bringing microdosing psychedelics to the mainstream wellness conversation led her to collaboratively launch The Microdosing Collective. She is also the host of Into The Multiverse Podcast.
Instagram: @allischaper

Marie Mbouni, M.D.
Born in Cameroon, Africa, Marie Mbouni, M.D. felt a calling toward healing and was initiated into iboga at the age of 14. Ultimately she would go on to pursue her education in Canada and the United States, following the Western medical route as an anesthesiologist. After years in this profession, Marie realized it did not fully align with her vision of healing and embraced a new career as a shaman, energy healer, and mentor. Marie has studied and cared for the body for over 20 years. Opening herself to the power of the mind, the beauty of intuition, and the all-encompassing power of love changed her, she stepped into her destiny as a healer and embraced her potential beyond the confines of the mainstream.
Instagram: @mariembounimd

Joshua Kappel
Joshua Kappel is a founding partner of Vicente Sederberg with a practice devoted to helping entrepreneurs and like-minded professionals build human-centric and regenerative companies in the cannabis and psychedelic communities. Joshua also has a passion for helping advocates draft legislation and build sustainable legal vehicles that will  influence these emerging industries going forward.

Recently, Mr. Kappel was a co-author and chair of the campaign committee for Colorado’s Proposition 122, which was the first successful state ballot measure to create access to natural psychedelic healing through both a state-regulated and a decentralized community-healing model. Joshua also helped draft Denver’s psilocybin decriminalization initiative and has assisted in drafting cannabis and psychedelic measures across the country for over 12 years.

Paul F. Austin (Host)
Paul F. Austin is a 21st-century pioneer of the responsible use of psychedelics for healing, leadership, and personal transformation. He has been featured in Rolling Stone, the New York Times, and WebMD for his work amplifying awareness around the benefits of microdosing psychedelics. Paul is the author of the book Mastering Microdosing: How to Use Sub-Perceptual Psychedelics to Heal Trauma, Improve Performance, and Transform Your Life and the founder of two companies in the emerging psychedelic space, Third Wave and Synthesis.
Instagram: @paulaustin3w


  • Why microdosing advocacy matters.
  • A brief history of microdosing and its potential role in mainstream acceptance of psychedelics.
  • Panelists share their “why” in promoting responsible psychedelic use in mainstream society.
  • On sacred reciprocity and microdosing with plant medicines.
  • The current legal landscape of microdosing and the work ahead towards legalization.
  • Harnessing neuroplasticity for wellness and optimization.
  • Drawing on lessons from cannabis when it comes to microdosing psychedelics.
  • How to share support for microdosing without putting yourself at risk.
  • Defining microdosing.

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Panel Discussion - The Case for Microdosing: Why Legalization Matters

Panel Discussion - The Case for Microdosing: Why Legalization Matters

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