We start this conversation with Qa’id by talking about change. According to Qa’id change is an important attribute of things that are good. We talk about personal change, about businesses that need to change, and about changing office culture. Apart from being a specialist designer, Qa’id is also specialist on office culture since he’s one of the very few black designers here in the Netherlands. So of course we talk about inclusion.

I don’t believe that exceptionalism helps you in the long run. I think it isolates you. And it doesn’t help people around you who are not like you.

We also discuss one of the talks that Qa’id gave in recent years in which he argues that one aspect of being marginalized is that marginalized people have empathy. This can be seen as a superpower. And we also talk a bit about the music industry to see if we as designers can learn a thing or two from it. I’ll leave it up to you, dear listener, to decide if we can.