Today’s guest has been on Kate's interviewee list since she started hosting the program. Ruby Miles is someone they've looked up to when she first started at fbi. She’s cool, fun, so knowledgeable, and someone I’d like to be when I grow up.

Hosting Up For It, Friday Arvos with Al, and a casual presenter on triple j, Ruby’s wide engagement with so called Sydney music, arts, and culture has ordained her the person who knows whats going on.

This episode was produced and edited by Kate Saap & Isaac Ortlipp. Out of the Box is recorded at the fbi station in Redfern, which is on unceded Gadigal Land. We pay our respects to Gadigal elders past and present and recognise the ongoing colonial violence committed across this country. Wherever you’re tuning in from in so-called Sydney, the land always was, always will be, Aboriginal land.

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.