“I didn't want to become trapped in this cycle of only speaking about violence when speaking of marginalised bodies’ experiences. I wanted to know, also, how we heal, how do we stay afloat? How do we survive? How do we begin to change the narrative, to own the narrative in different ways?”

Visual artist Donna Kukama invites us into her immersive 2018 performance, We the Not-Not People! -Things done, not told. Inscribed, not written. Reflecting on the conception and performance of We the Not-Not People, Kukama explores multiple intersecting forms of oppression, alongside questions of memorialisation and healing.

The ICA Podcast is a creation of the Institute for Creative Arts (ICA) at the University of Cape Town. Produced and edited by Catherine Boulle.

Read more about the ICA and the vision for the podcast: http://www.ica.uct.ac.za/ica/podcast/Season2.