“I just knew that I wanted the audience to be the catalyst, or driver, of the action. I don't know if it's from a particular type of training in theatre, but there's always so much pressure to do, and to fill the space with actions and sounds and whatever. And we find the audience doing the complete opposite. They're just like, sitting there quite still and quietly. And I knew I wanted to kind of flip that around.”

Winner of the 2021 Standard Bank Young Artist Award for Performance Art, Gavin Krastin, invites us into the intimate Bindery theatre to re-experience his visceral and spectacular 2018 participatory performance Yet to be Determined – a haunting meditation on vulnerability, connection, pain, personhood and transformation.

The ICA Podcast is a creation of the Institute for Creative Arts (ICA) at the University of Cape Town. Produced and edited by Catherine Boulle.

Read more about the ICA and the vision for the podcast: http://www.ica.uct.ac.za/ica/podcast/Season2.