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PHLY Philadelphia Eagles PodcastShemar Stewart and Shavon Revel among the 2025 NFL Draft’s biggest Boom or Bust prospects
PHLY Philadelphia Eagles PodcastShemar Stewart and Shavon Revel among the 2025 NFL Draft’s biggest Boom or Bust prospects
Shemar Stewart and Shavon Revel among the 2025 NFL Draft’s biggest Boom or Bust prospects
Update: 2025-03-11
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Fran Duffy is here for another week of expert NFL Draft insight, this time focusing on the players in the draft who have the widest range of possible outcomes, including Texas A&M’s Shemar Stewart, East Carolina’s Shavon Revel and Texas’ Isaiah Bond.
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00:00:00
Hello, everybody and welcome to the P H L Y draft show with Fran.
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If you look at that beautiful thumbnail of a smiling Fran Duffy, we are here on a Tuesday afternoon with you to talk about the draft amid all the things that are happening in the NFL.
00:00:14
Let's narrow our focus to the draft.
00:00:15
However, I think we'll have a little bit of a conversation about some of the ramifications of the things that have happened over the first 36 hours.
00:00:22
And what they could happen, what they could mean for the draft.
00:00:25
But our focus today, starting Fran, with the most boom or bust prospects in in this draft.
00:00:32
And I think there is, there are specific players we're going to talk about.
00:00:35
But I also am curious about sort of the big picture conversation about how you view the bets that you would make on a guy with a wide range of outcomes.
00:00:44
If there are positions where you are more likely to make, you know, those bets, if it has to do with the quality of the draft overall, like if if there are fewer certain teas,
00:00:54
are you more willing to reach for that ceiling, but should be a fun conversation, how you doing?
00:00:58
I think so.
00:00:58
It'll be, I think it's funny.
00:01:00
You say that because as I was putting together the list of six players that we were going to talk about through this exercise, I started asking myself those questions because it is a little bit, it's different on a case to case basis.
00:01:12
But we'll get to that.
00:01:13
And obviously, there's always going to be a point when you do want to make the bet.
00:01:17
Yes.
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Right.
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It's like, okay, maybe I don't want to make that bet at nine overall.
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But yeah, if I move down to 20, I'll take that swing with all of these guys, you're going to, you're going to make those calculations.
00:01:26
And so why don't we just get into it?
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Let's, let's start.
00:01:28
We're talking about the sixth players in this draft.
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Do you think are the most boomer bus, the most wide range of outcomes?
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And I think, why don't we start with the players on, on the thumbnail here?
00:01:38
Shamar Stewart from Texas A&M, who I think, I don't want to speak for you, but you are a little bit lower on the consensus.
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But let's talk about what the range of outcomes with him is.
00:01:49
He is a player who tests like an unbelievable athlete, doesn't have a great history of college production.
00:01:55
What is the ceiling for a Shamar Stewart if he puts it all together?
00:01:58
Yeah, the ceiling is cam Jordan, you know, in terms of that, a pro bowl rusher, maybe not like an all pro, but a long time force off the edge who wins with strength and power and explosiveness.
00:02:12
And this is a guy that can get from A to B in a flash.
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You see here on the graphic that I had him as my edge 13.
00:02:19
This was pre combine, pre, I shouldn't even say pre combine, but it was just a couple of weeks ago when this graphic was made.
00:02:26
I've talked with some people in the last few weeks, just getting more character backgrounds and just getting a sense of, okay, who is this guy for all a personal level?
00:02:35
And that is, honestly, a factor for me when it comes to a lot of these players, but you know, is like the boom bust aspect of it, do I believe that you have the character that you have like in those things are impossible for me to know just because I don't not boots on the ground on campus talking to as many sources as scouts are,
00:02:53
but that's why I have to rely on talking with scouts to get it get that sense, right?
00:02:58
So everything I've heard about Shamar Stewart has been pretty good off the field as this guy does everything the right way, just that the production has not found him.
00:03:07
I am a big believer in, especially for defensive lineman in production, inconsistently being able to find the football.
00:03:14
And so when I see a defensive end with the traits that he's got, six foot five, he came in 267 at the combine, he was 281 at the senior ball.
00:03:23
So clearly cut a good amount of weight there to be able to test for the combine, ended up running sub four six, you know, sub one six in the 10 yard split, jumped to 131 inches in the broad 40 inches and the fur just outrageous numbers for a guy that big,
00:03:40
only one and a half sacks, all three seasons on campus.
00:03:43
That's tough to explain that that's tough to square away.
00:03:46
And everyone's going to say, Daniel Hunter did it, right?
00:03:48
Yeah.
00:03:49
And that's the guy who everybody points to and I, you'll remember, I loved Daniel Hunter.
00:03:53
Oh, that's funny.
00:03:54
You know, like, and that's what it's like, it's so it's not just all like some positions I'm into it and some others.
00:03:59
I loved Jason, no way.
00:04:00
I was in on Jason, no way coming out of Penn State.
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Odefeo way.
00:04:04
Yes, right.
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Back then he was Jason.
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He was Jason.
00:04:07
No way.
00:04:08
You know, and to me that there's, and that's why it's the, so what is it?
00:04:11
What is it about Shemar Stewart that, that doesn't hook you?
00:04:15
For me, he's really explosive A to B, like straight line explosive.
00:04:21
He's not as good laterally.
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He didn't do the shuttles, but he got hurt.
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Sorry.
00:04:25
So he got, he got dinged up halfway through the workouts.
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So I had to pull out.
00:04:28
Didn't do any position work at the combine, but when I watch him on film, I don't see a guy.
00:04:33
I see a guy that's really stiff in his, in his ankles and in his, in his knees to be able to make those lateral type of moves when he has got to try and turn the corner.
00:04:42
It's the, the, the school bus, like, take wide turns in a situation, right?
00:04:47
So, um, bend.
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He doesn't have a move.
00:04:49
And I've been.
00:04:50
And, you know, and so when you're talking about the, the athleticism to be able to break down and finish tackles, some of that can be from that lack of bend, right?
00:04:57
Where it's like, he's unable to be able to, uh, to break down and be able to finish, uh, at times in the backfield, um, yeah, that's, that's one of the things that, that kind of left me wanting, uh, I think when you're looking at him as well,
00:05:08
this is a guy, and look, obviously, if this was more developed, he probably would have more production.
00:05:12
But like, though, and this isn't uncommon, but the past rush plan, aspect of things, um, you know, you just lean really heavily, it's just bull rush, bull rush, and if that's not there, if he doesn't win with that bull rush,
00:05:23
he's not getting home, um, you know, and that's something that you see often with young rushers, but that, that is definitely the case with story.
00:05:29
I think the conversation that would be had in a building as opposed to if we're just ranking prospects, right, is, okay, he needs this development.
00:05:39
Are we able to give him this development?
00:05:41
You have to sort of know how good you are at developing players, uh, and not every organization can do that.
00:05:47
There's a lot that depends on the coaching staff, the position coaches also, like, how much time do you a lot to things like that?
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Now, a first round pick is different.
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You're gonna put resources there, but like, what, what kind of development does he need?
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And you can't speak to every single team to the league, but like, you know, how likely is it, is it that, that you think he could get that development?
00:06:08
So there are some systems of those start, we'll start with the team by team thing first.
00:06:12
There are some teams that are, are going to thrive with past rushers that are built this way, right?
00:06:18
Where there is.
00:06:19
It's again, it's that like A to B, that crash are off the edge, again, so I think of like Cam Jordan.
00:06:24
To me, if he ends up in Chicago playing for Dennis Allen, that's a good scheme fit and also playing for a coach that has shown the propensity to be able to develop those kinds of rushers, right?
00:06:34
And so, you know, to me, like, because Carl Granerson was a late round pick.
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He was long really underdeveloped coming out of out of Wyoming, if I remember.
00:06:41
And he was a guy that, that struggled to be able to turn the corner and be able to find the football.
00:06:45
He turned into a nice player for the New Orleans Saints.
00:06:47
I mentioned Cam Jordan already, uh, Marcus Davenport, right?
00:06:50
He was a similar kind of body, similar type of skill set.
00:06:52
They traded us first round, a future first to try, to try to trade it out to get Davenport out of UTSA.
00:06:58
Uh, didn't quite live up to that slot injuries had something to do with it.
00:07:01
But, uh, I think when you're looking at Shamar Stewart, that, that is a good fit there.
00:07:05
And I, that's not, when I did my mock draft last week, I gave Chicago Shamar Stewart, uh, in that mock draft.
00:07:10
Now, um, as far as what he specifically needs, look, the, the ankle flexibility thing, probably not going to, that's probably not going to change, right?
00:07:19
I don't think that that can improve a little bit in teams can tweak that or developmental staff and their, their strength staff can try and improve it.
00:07:26
But, uh, the big thing would be that past rush plan that I talked about, just continuing to have that full understanding, hey, you might want to lean into your bull rush, but can you work on a ghost move?
00:07:35
Can you work on an inside spin?
00:07:37
Are you able to, to find other ways to be able to threaten offensive lineman on a more consistent basis?
00:07:41
Okay.
00:07:42
So we talked about the boom case.
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The bus case is rotational at best.
00:07:47
Yeah.
00:07:48
Because, honestly, like, the guy that I thought of while watching him was Zach Harrison.
00:07:52
Now, Zach Harrison was a fourth round pick out of Ohio State a couple of year, two, two drafts ago, uh, by the Atlanta Falcons, uh, Harrison was a five star group, just like Stewart.
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Harrison was viewed as like this big physical marvel coming out.
00:08:05
Didn't test, like, out of this world, but tested, well, um, he goes to, he goes to Atlanta and he was viewed as an edge when they, when they drafted them, uh, in 2023.
00:08:15
Well, just this past year, they moved into defense tackle really quick.
00:08:19
One year they're like, yeah, he's not, he's not athletic enough to play on the edge.
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We have to kick him inside.
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That's the, the bus case.
00:08:24
Well, that's my question with him.
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Is that, is that a possibility for him?
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Is like, let's just make him a third down inside pass pressure?
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Yeah.
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That's it.
00:08:31
And, and look, there's a chance that he turns into what if he becomes troncy goulson?
00:08:34
There's a chance he becomes troncy goulson.
00:08:35
Troncy goulson was a fourth, fifth round pick right out of Iowa, uh, just signed a, uh, decent deal yesterday with the, uh, the New York Giants coming over away from Dallas, but that's the, the kind of body type, uh,
00:08:46
that you're talking about.
00:08:47
And look, there, there's that chance that he can bounce between and be a nice rotational player, but you don't want to draft that 10 overall, 15 overall, 21 overall, much less, uh, higher than that.
00:08:58
All right.
00:08:59
Let's go from Shamar Stewart to a boomer bus player who I think you are higher on than consensus.
00:09:04
And that is Shavan Ravel, the, uh, corner from East Carolina.
00:09:07
Why is he someone who has a wide range of outcomes?
00:09:10
Well, he's only got 15 starts at the FPS level.
00:09:13
He's played less than 900 snaps at the FPS level, uh, that said, he's 62 with 32 and a half in charms.
00:09:20
And he's got four, three speed.
00:09:21
You on film.
00:09:22
I mean, the height weight speed is outstanding and as you see there, he is, he is your CB three.
00:09:26
Yes.
00:09:27
Uh, to me, first round tape all day.
00:09:30
Um, yeah.
00:09:31
And I think when you're looking at Revel, uh, the big thing is transfer from Juco, uh, went to East, East Carolina, uh, didn't play that first year.
00:09:40
Back in year, became a starter in 2023, played the full season, uh, had, uh, one pick and 13 PBUs, uh, scored a defensive touchdown off the Fumble recovery was second team all AAC.
00:09:51
Made it to Feldman's Freak list was number 35 on Bruce Feldman's Freak list.
00:09:54
Entering the year, that's when, uh, you know, I was like, I got to make sure I watch this kid.
00:09:59
He was already on my list because he was second team all conference the year before.
00:10:01
Um, but when I went back and I watched, I'm like, okay, like there's, there's legit talent here, uh, watched a couple of games for earlier this season.
00:10:08
He played, played Old Dominion and they played Appalachian state.
00:10:11
And oh, I think it was a week and a half later in practice, he tore his ACL clean tear, um, all intense.
00:10:17
It seems like he's going to be good to go.
00:10:18
Uh, there was the, I think him and his team released a report that he's going to be good to, to start running and doing routes on air that, like that kind of thing, um, you know, by the time he gets to the summer.
00:10:26
So he should be a full go for training camp, but you're talking about a small school corner with limited reps, uh, coming off an ACL.
00:10:34
That's a, that's just a tough bet to make.
00:10:35
That said, like, to me, what I'm watching and I say, like hyper competitive with ball skills and height weight speed, that's, that's too much to pass up on in my opinion.
00:10:43
And so at that position, uh, are you more or less willing to, to take a gamble?
00:10:49
It depends.
00:10:50
So for me, and this gets into like my personal, uh, my personal feelings on corner, um, I'm big into instincts, ball skills and competitiveness.
00:10:59
Uh, it's funny.
00:11:00
I was doing an exercise, uh, this morning where, um, you know, because this is my first year, we're able to share all of my draft notes, right, on all these players.
00:11:08
Well, I've been doing reports for 15 plus years.
00:11:11
You've been doing guys for a long time, uh, and so, um, when I was like, all right, well, for some of the big names this week that are changing teams, let me go back.
00:11:21
I'll pull up my scouting report on them when they were coming out of college and I'll share them, uh, and a number of the, the corners just because I was like, oh, like, I, I remember, you know, doing, you know, doing this guy, uh, when he came out and,
00:11:31
uh, so I shared DJ read and I shared, uh, Paulson the Debo and, uh, Carlton Davis and I shared a few of these and it's a lot of the same buzzwords keep popping up and it just kind of,
00:11:42
uh, doubles down for me, uh, on my feelings on the position, competitiveness, ball skills, instincts, like regardless of, uh, high-weight speed, because there were questions about the, the speed with Paulson the Debo gave Davis torch to him in that UCF game a few years back when he was at Stanford.
00:11:57
There were questions about DJ read and his size.
00:11:59
Gordon Lewis was another one that had questions about his size, but all of these guys played with a ton of urgency.
00:12:05
They all played with, uh, uh, with outstanding ball skills and they had the instincts at the top of the route, uh, to consistently match receivers, whether it was man or zone or both.
00:12:13
Uh, and so when I look at Revel, he checks enough of those boxes, especially from the competitiveness standpoint where I say, yeah, I feel good about his ability to transition in the week.
00:12:22
And so is there a range where, you know, I guess your big boards coming up this week.
00:12:26
Yeah.
00:12:27
People, people can see this.
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Are we talking about like top 20?
00:12:30
He's going to be high.
00:12:31
He's going to be there in the board.
00:12:33
Now where does he go in the, in a mock draft, uh, that becomes a little bit tougher, uh, you know, I, when I did my first mock draft, I got a couple of text from people who are like, you're nuts for having Shivandra,
00:12:43
uh, having a small school corner coming off an ACL who played less than 900 snaps gone to the first round.
00:12:47
Um, and I, that's fair, but that's just, but that, well, that, see, that's the difference though between, because when I'm doing a mock draft, that is a predicted exercise when I'm doing the board.
00:12:56
That is not predicted.
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That is a, uh, predictive exercise from this is where I see the player being valued five years from now, uh, whereas the, the mock draft, that's how it's going to go with the board.
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Some people do the board as like, I want my top 32 to be the first 32 players on the board.
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I couldn't, I couldn't care less about, no, I want to, I, this is how, I, how I see the player, uh, you know, five years from now.
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And the best way to check that out is to become a die hard.
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Make sure you check that out and also access to all of friends, scattered reports on these guys.
00:13:31
All right.
00:13:32
Let's move on to the next player on this list.
00:13:34
Let's go with, uh, Texas big man, Cameron Williams, six six, three, 17, but he is your tackle 13.
00:13:42
What is the, what is the boom?
00:13:44
What is the bust?
00:13:45
So only a one year starter at offensive, all in the offensive line.
00:13:49
That's, that's always a tricky bet.
00:13:51
Um, I mean, he played 149 snaps going into this year.
00:13:54
So I just, I, has not played a lot of football, uh, if memory serves was late to football in, in high school as well.
00:14:00
So you're talking about the guy that's got a lot of, uh, reps under his belt.
00:14:04
That said, six, six, he was listed 317 at the combine.
00:14:08
From what I understand, he cut a lot of weight.
00:14:10
Um, you know, he was like in high school, he was north of 360, uh, my, uh, I had one person tell me that he was well north of that, uh, at some point as well.
00:14:19
So you're talking about a guy that's got the ability to carry a lot of weight, um, but didn't become a starter of this year and just, you know, a boat load of penalties, uh, it was just very inconsistent with his technique, gave up a lot of production late in the year.
00:14:31
The traits are there for days.
00:14:32
I honestly kind of, uh, cause I watched a, a gamer two early on from, uh, yeah, I watched the Michigan game and the Mississippi state game, which we're in the first half of the year.
00:14:40
And I was, I was intrigued.
00:14:41
I said, okay, like this guy's definitely got starting quality traits, but as you watch more and more time go on and you just saw like, uh, opposing rushers were having this level of success.
00:14:49
And the penalty count just kept dry, uh, going up, knowing that there was a lot of talent in this offensive tackle class.
00:14:54
I assumed, all right, William's just going to go back.
00:14:55
He's going to go back to Texas.
00:14:56
He's going to play another year, he ended up coming out, uh, in this class.
00:14:59
And now it just becomes all right, uh, you know, it's obviously a big swing.
00:15:04
There's traits there to develop, but how long will it take him to get there, uh, that is a little bit of a scary proposition.
00:15:11
Now for the specifically Eagles fans, yes, would you feel like you are better suited to take a gamble on a player with that wide range of outcomes because of Jeff Statman?
00:15:21
No question.
00:15:22
Um, you know, look, this guy's got all the traits that you're looking for.
00:15:27
He's got good feet, he's strong, he flashes great power.
00:15:31
The lower body flexibility is a little bit of an issue at times.
00:15:34
Um, you know, and that can be a little bit of an issue, uh, but I think when you're looking at a guy that has all those traits, he's only, he's also only played right tackle.
00:15:42
Um, so you start getting into that like, all right, he's going to have to prove to this.
00:15:45
You have that swing versatility, uh, you know, could he kick inside the guard?
00:15:48
You know, uh, at times early on as well, um, but he looks, I mean, dude, he looks so good on the move.
00:15:54
The Eagles ran a lot of counter this year where they were pulling those offensive lineman from one side to the other when they did the GT counter stuff at Texas.
00:16:01
He looks so good as a polar.
00:16:03
You just see, you see the traits.
00:16:05
It's all there.
00:16:06
My guess is you're talking about a day to pick and it's a little bit easier to, to swallow that kind of a gamble as opposed to round one, which is how he was being billed when you got to like November, December of this past year.
00:16:15
Okay.
00:16:16
Let's move on.
00:16:17
Next up, we have, let's stay in Texas.
00:16:21
Let's go to Isaiah Bond.
00:16:22
Right.
00:16:23
So wide receiver.
00:16:24
Why is he someone with a wide range of outcomes?
00:16:27
Why is he boomer bust?
00:16:28
Yeah.
00:16:29
He was a guy that was viewed as a potential first round pick coming into the season.
00:16:31
And that was off of being a, uh, a starter at Alabama last year in 2023.
00:16:36
He had, uh, just 48 catches for only 68 yards, uh, a year ago, just four touchdowns.
00:16:42
So the production wasn't great in that Alabama passing game.
00:16:45
But you saw dynamic speed, playmaking ability, the, the ability to get on top of corners and make those plays down the field.
00:16:52
He goes to Texas, uh, saw some production early, only 34 catches, only 540 yards.
00:16:58
So like the numbers, uh, dropped from what he was at Alabama.
00:17:02
Now the, the injuries kind of took hold.
00:17:04
He was banged up.
00:17:05
He was in and out of the lineup.
00:17:06
You saw Matthew Golden kind of take that next step and he became the alpha dog in that passing game.
00:17:10
Gunner Helm.
00:17:11
The tight end.
00:17:12
He caught a lot of balls.
00:17:13
The target share and things like that did not favor Isaiah Bond.
00:17:17
That said, for three speed, uh, really good flashes, especially with the ball in his hands.
00:17:22
I feel like they really unlocked him in from a yards after the catch standpoint, uh, here this past season for a four Steve Sarkisian, um, and it just, I mean, you see the good, overall good athleticism.
00:17:31
I thought he had one of the better position workouts at the wider receiver spot in the combine.
00:17:36
Um, that said, one of my favorite things this time of year now, Bo is like, we, now they've got all the data points that I'm going to get, right?
00:17:42
You got all the athletic data points.
00:17:44
You got all the stuff from the season.
00:17:45
So now you can start to kind of like mix and match and find some interesting like, uh, like combination of factors.
00:17:51
And so one of the guys that I did a little bit of a deep dive on as I was just wrapping up my report on yesterday was Isaiah Bond and I said, all right, well, let's, let's just look at, um, you know, some of his numbers.
00:18:01
And I mentioned like the production has not been great.
00:18:04
He averaged just 1.73 yards per route run in college.
00:18:08
He's projected as a day to pick.
00:18:10
That's a really low number for a day to pick.
00:18:12
Now, uh, over the last 10 years, here's the list of day two receivers with y'all less yards per route runner fewer fewer yards per round run, fewer fewer yards, fewer yards per round.
00:18:23
AD Mitchell last year coming out of Texas, Van Jefferson, Terry McClaren, good player, Jalen Hurd disappeared in San Francisco, Jonathan Mingo, Josh Palmer.
00:18:33
That's the list.
00:18:34
So it's a, it's a very short list and only one of those guys really hit, uh, from that day two draft slide.
00:18:40
All of those guys were 200 pounds.
00:18:42
We're bigger.
00:18:43
Start here.
00:18:44
He's 180.
00:18:45
So again, so you're, you're threading the needle here in terms of what, what does this guy bring to the table?
00:18:50
What are the chances that he's going to hit?
00:18:51
I do think there's boom bust there, but clearly a bill NFL ability and wide receiver is a tough one because it is a position where there are so many options.
00:19:00
Yeah.
00:19:01
And so it's, you know, it's, it's not like you need a tackle and there are only so many guys who were that size and you want to take the upside swing.
00:19:08
I mean, there are, there are always going to be wide receivers.
00:19:11
Would you rather take a slightly safer swing, even if the ceiling is maybe not as high, but there is much more certainty of it being, you know, a double.
00:19:19
Yeah.
00:19:20
And it also comes into like the, there's a guy have like an elite trait or not.
00:19:24
Yeah.
00:19:25
And he's got like, he's, he's got speed that in this class is elite and really in any class.
00:19:29
Maybe you're a four three guy or a four three guy.
00:19:30
Um, I do think that he brings that top end juice, but I agree to your, to your point.
00:19:35
When you're talking about pure volume of receivers every single year, you could also find a guy that's got four three speed.
00:19:40
Yeah.
00:19:41
Later in the draft that also can, you know, maybe you do a similar kind of value.
00:19:44
All right.
00:19:45
Let's go over the couple of super chats that we have here.
00:19:47
Rick actually just one says why it.
00:19:50
My, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my thoughts, Fran.
00:19:54
So I was probably, I would say that I'm lower.
00:19:56
Who is Wyatt Mylum, okay, good, good question.
00:19:59
So offensive tackle from West Virginia, a lot of people view as a guard, moving into the NFL, just 32 inch arms.
00:20:07
I think that's prohibitive to 32 and 8.
00:20:09
We're not talking just under 33 like with with Will Campbell.
00:20:12
We're talking closer to 32, you know, at 66 313, that's extremely, that's an extreme lack of length.
00:20:20
Now, he is a player that's played some right tackle.
00:20:22
He's played some left tackle.
00:20:23
But again, that was going to have to slide into guard.
00:20:26
He did so with the senior ball struggled before that.
00:20:29
I was still a little bit lower on him.
00:20:31
I think the consensus.
00:20:32
Some people thought that he would be a first round talent.
00:20:35
I didn't quite see that on film.
00:20:37
I saw a player that was just solid across the board, solid athleticism, solid strength, solid power.
00:20:42
I thought the technique was fine, but not like, oh, man, like he's going to be a technician in the moment he steps into his future NFL team.
00:20:48
I like the starting experience of both tackle spots.
00:20:50
I like the edge that he plays with.
00:20:52
So there's competitiveness there and there's versatility.
00:20:54
That's a great like starting point there for an offensive lineman.
00:20:57
I just saw more of like a high end swing back up and low end starter, as opposed to somebody I would take in around one.
00:21:03
So when you're talking like boom bust, he's he's the opposite of boom bust.
00:21:07
I feel really good about before I just didn't love the ceiling.
00:21:10
Okay.
00:21:11
Let's keep going with the boom bust conversation and another player who you are higher on than consensus.
00:21:15
Lots of people love Colston, Loveland, lots of people love Mason Taylor, but your number two tight end in this class after Tyler Warren is Elijah Arroyo, who you've talked about before from Miami,
00:21:26
65 to 50 productive.
00:21:30
Why is he boom bust in your eyes?
00:21:32
So he's spent four years on campus at Miami, had it combined 11 catches in the first three years.
00:21:38
The first three years.
00:21:39
So injuries have taken their toll.
00:21:41
There was barely on the field, only played four games last year, only played four games in 2022.
00:21:46
It became a starter in 2024 started all 13 games, and this guy was extremely dynamic.
00:21:51
35 catches, 590 yards, seven touchdowns.
00:21:55
When you look at what percentage of his passes were targeted, deep down the field, 30% of his targets were deep down the field.
00:22:02
That's at least 20 yards down the field.
00:22:04
That's an extremely high number for the tight end position.
00:22:07
But then you pair that with the fact that he averaged almost nine yards after the catch per reception.
00:22:13
This is a guy that can be targeted vertically down the field, but he's also outstanding after the catch.
00:22:18
Yak is a great separator when you talk about, like guys at the tight end spot in different clumps.
00:22:24
You know, that's one of the things that separates Dallas God, or it's one of the things that separates George Kittle is what they can do with the ball in their hands.
00:22:29
And I think Arroyo, he's got that ability to be a seamstretcher, but also like the RPO game, the tight end screens.
00:22:35
He's very valuable there.
00:22:36
I think he's got an extremely high ceiling as a route runner.
00:22:40
A lot of the things that you look for is like, this is what can make a player elite, only one drop in his entire career, obviously a low sample, but just one drop in his entire career.
00:22:51
To me, like this guy's got the ability to be a game breaker at the position.
00:22:55
But the injuries were a big issue.
00:22:59
Only one year starting experience, working in the middle of the field, you need tight ends to be a factor in both the run game and the past game.
00:23:05
How is you going to handle from a mental load standpoint?
00:23:07
Didn't work out of the combine because he got dinged up from it from an inch.
00:23:10
So again, like the injury question creeps back in.
00:23:13
So that's why Arroyo becomes a little bit more of a boom bus possibility.
00:23:17
I feel like I feel like tight end is a spot where I would take a swing.
00:23:21
I agree with you.
00:23:22
Yeah.
00:23:23
Just thinking about like the upside of a dynamic tight end is difference making to your offense.
00:23:30
And it's also, it is an easier position to replicate, replicate just baseline level play.
00:23:35
Like you could find a blocking tight end who can get you through a season.
00:23:39
And so like a bad tight end miss is not going to kill you as much as it like, you're not going to be able to find the starting caliber tackle if you miss on your first or second round tackle.
00:23:49
Yeah.
00:23:50
Whereas at tight end, I think you could.
00:23:51
And so I think I am kind of more willing to shoot high there.
00:23:54
He's an he's an inch shorter and 10 pounds lighter than this player.
00:23:57
But like Jimmy Graham coming to him out of Miami was, you know, he was the third round pick, barely played was only, I think he only played one year football because he was a basketball player at the U, a royal is electric as an athlete.
00:24:10
And some of the things I saw very early on, you know, watching cam wore, watching him against Florida.
00:24:14
And you just see this guy running through the middle of the field, making plays vertically down the field.
00:24:18
That's the guy you want to take a gamble on.
00:24:20
And so why do you think the consensus is that he's a little bit lower?
00:24:24
They worry about the blocking.
00:24:25
They worry about the worry about the blocking.
00:24:27
And I don't know.
00:24:28
Well, I studied him, I, you know, he's a, look, he's not going to be a plus blocker in my opinion, but I think that he more, he checks the box there, you know, both in past protection and the run game, especially as a move guy like the on counter plays and things like that.
00:24:39
I would say he's, you know, better than what we've seen from like Grant Calcutta for the Eagles fans that are watching.
00:24:45
Like I, I think that he, he more than checks the box there.
00:24:48
And that's all I need.
00:24:49
If you're going to bring that kind of value as a receiver and you can just check the box as a, as a blocker, that's more than enough in my opinion.
00:24:55
All right, our last boom bust prospect to talk about Michigan defensive tackle.
00:25:00
The other one.
00:25:01
Yes.
00:25:02
Kenneth Grant, six, three and a half, three, 31.
00:25:05
He is your defensive tackle five.
00:25:07
Why is he someone who has a wide range of income?
00:25:10
Yeah.
00:25:11
I mean, you're talking about another player that, I mean, he first came on my radar before he ever stepped on the field, Bruce Feldman put him on his freeclist before his freshman season, he even began.
00:25:19
He said, yeah, like he came in at number 46 and his top 50 before he ever set foot on the, on the field for the Wolverines came at number three on that freeclist coming into the year.
00:25:29
You mentioned the measurables did not work out of the combine.
00:25:34
And when you're looking at from a production standpoint, always just kind of left you wanting.
00:25:37
He did have seven TFLs and three sacks this year, but didn't become a starter until this season.
00:25:43
So despite all those physical tools, despite the fact that he got all that buzz, because that's the thing is you got to remember when Bruce Feldman puts those lists together, he's getting those, those names from scouts, but he's also getting those names from coaches and sources.
00:25:55
And so the fact that he got all that buzz, he had Michigan before he set on the field, but didn't become a starter this year.
00:26:01
That's a little bit of a, okay, it's a little bit flag-ish for me, right?
00:26:04
Where it's like, okay, like, well, if he was this heralded as this huge athlete, how come he wasn't a bigger part of that defense?
00:26:10
I could see that.
00:26:11
You know, so that was something for me that stood out.
00:26:14
That said, I've got some friends that, you know, in that building in Michigan.
00:26:18
Flex.
00:26:19
Yeah.
00:26:20
And they all, they speak very highly of them.
00:26:22
So, you know, there could be nothing there.
00:26:24
That's why I don't, I'm not saying like, oh man, like, you'll write this guy off, but production has just been okay.
00:26:31
And the fact that he just didn't, you know, there was a comparison I heard with him.
00:26:35
I want to say, I think it was my friend Ben Fennel who put this out on Twitter.
00:26:38
Some Don Terry Poe there.
00:26:39
Oh, interesting.
00:26:40
Great.
00:26:41
It's a great call back.
00:26:42
2012 drive last.
00:26:43
Yeah, fun player to watch.
00:26:44
And Kenneth Cran is that.
00:26:45
You know, at 6'4, 3'30, he's got really light feet, the flashes are outstanding.
00:26:51
I just think that he's the whole, or the, what is it, the whole is less than the sum of the parts.
00:26:56
That's kind of where I was at with kind of Grant where I just didn't see a consistently impactful player.
00:27:00
But he's not that far down your list.
00:27:01
I mean, he's DT5.
00:27:02
Right.
00:27:03
It's DT5.
00:27:04
But he's being, I think it goes with how he's being talked about.
00:27:07
Yeah.
00:27:08
Him being talked about as a top 15 pick.
00:27:11
Top 20 pick.
00:27:12
Yeah.
00:27:13
That's rich for me.
00:27:14
I feel much better taking that gamble when you get into the second round.
00:27:17
So, what's the downside case here and what he's, you know, he's just the first on player.
00:27:22
Yes.
00:27:23
Downside is that he's a run player only and it's kind of like the conversation of the Jordan Davis where it's like, okay, like he's guys flashes as a dominant run defender, but not it consistently dominant run defender.
00:27:33
So, what is the value here?
00:27:34
Okay.
00:27:35
Before we get to a bit of an Eagles conversation, actually, since the Eagles just released Miles Sanders.
00:27:40
There you go.
00:27:41
We have a super chat from Ryan.
00:27:42
The Eagles just released Miles Sanders.
00:27:43
I'm sorry.
00:27:44
The campus.
00:27:45
The Panthers just released four more Eagles running back Miles Sanders.
00:27:48
One man wants to know your thoughts on CJ West, the Indiana defensive tackle.
00:27:51
Yeah.
00:27:52
I haven't finished his tape yet, but saw him at the at the Shrine Bowl.
00:27:55
I thought he was one of the better players down there during the week of practice.
00:27:58
Obviously, he had a good workout, you know, playing for Indiana this year.
00:28:03
This was a guy that made a lot of impact on that defensive front.
00:28:06
I'm pulling up his body type just so I've got that.
00:28:09
But I think when you're looking at his overall skill set to me, you know, after seeing him in person, I thought that he'd be more of a rotational type.
00:28:17
Yeah, six one three sixteen with 31 and a half inch arm.
00:28:20
So that a severe lack of length was pretty productive.
00:28:24
You're talking about a little bit of an older player, fifth year senior, had eight TFLs, only two sacks this past year, only two sacks last year, playing for Kent Stady, transferred in from the Mac,
00:28:34
but he graded out extremely well as a run defender.
00:28:38
The pressure numbers, win rate numbers were average.
00:28:41
So I think to me, you're looking at a high floor rotational player.
00:28:45
That's kind of how I, how I I balled him at the shrine, but I'll finish up the report here in the coming weeks.
00:28:49
All right.
00:28:50
The Eagles conversation I want to have with you.
00:28:51
Okay.
00:28:52
Just just a quick one because we're going to get to some wood peckety rathers in a little bit.
00:28:56
Now that the Eagles have shipped out CJ Garner Johnson, you know, Sidney Brown could be the starting safety next to Reed Blankenship.
00:29:03
Yep.
00:29:04
Maybe they will add somebody in for agency, but all of a sudden now safety becomes an early round possibility when it probably wasn't before.
00:29:10
What should Eagles fans know and probably the case that Malachi Starks and Nick, Eman Warrior, out of their range at 32 already out in people in my mentioned saying, Eman Warrior 32.
00:29:21
Yeah.
00:29:22
Yeah.
00:29:23
Yeah.
00:29:24
Eman Warrior 32 would be very surprising.
00:29:25
Okay.
00:29:26
I just don't think he's going to be there.
00:29:27
Yeah.
00:29:28
I personally don't think Malachi Starks is going to be there either me personally, how I view it.
00:29:31
That one.
00:29:32
That said, I didn't anticipate Brian Branch falling into the second round.
00:29:34
Yeah.
00:29:35
We've seen guys that are modest size modest athleticism fall.
00:29:40
But those guys that have fallen have played well.
00:29:43
So, you know, will the NFL learn from that or not Malachi Starks is a top 15 player in the class when it comes to like just watching them on field the impact that he has.
00:29:53
Dan Jeremiah, who maybe knew something, mocked him to the Eagles in his last mocked draft.
00:29:57
Yeah.
00:29:58
He's plus.
00:29:59
Yeah.
00:30:00
Yeah.
00:30:01
So Jeremiah mocked Malachi Starks to the Eagles.
00:30:02
I think it was a week before the combine, a week of the combine, whatever it was.
00:30:06
So those are the top two safeties, those are two round one players after that.
00:30:10
It's actually, it's a decent safety class.
00:30:12
It's not a great group.
00:30:13
It's not a terrible group.
00:30:15
The two other players that I have with like rock solid starting grades right now would be Jonas Sanker from Virginia and Xavier Watts from Notre Dame.
00:30:24
I think both guys have legitimate starting capability, pulling up the numbers on both guys right now.
00:30:30
Jonas Sanker, six foot two of six, 32 and a quarter inch arm.
00:30:33
So he's got pretty good size across the board.
00:30:35
I, yeah, so let me just plug my, my report on him real quick.
00:30:39
Three-year starter at safety, fluid athlete, interchangeable skill set, not a killer downhills or run defender, but very reliable tackler, very sound with his angles and his insert points in the run fit.
00:30:49
In coverage, he can match up against tight ends and against bigger receivers without peril.
00:30:52
And he has excellent top down traits from depth, meaning, so when I say top down traits, a guy that plays in the deep part of the field and attacking down hill, whether that's in coverage or on the bat in the run game, he does that very,
00:31:03
very well.
00:31:04
The Eagles playing a split high safety scheme, as well as many other teams in the infopal.
00:31:09
That will cater really well to that kind of a scheme, because that's how he's going to be used.
00:31:13
I wish he was a little bit more of a ball-hawk, just found the ball a little bit more, but I just thought he was a rock-solid player.
00:31:19
This would be a low-hanging fruit player, because he also went to Virginia, but a little bit bigger version of Rodney McLeod.
00:31:26
Okay.
00:31:27
You know, I think that's a fair comparison kind of thing for Sanker.
00:31:31
And then Xavier Watts at Notre Dame.
00:31:33
This is the guy I've been hearing about from people in that building for a couple years.
00:31:36
Just under six foot, 204 pounds, a lot of production.
00:31:41
It's the opposite of Sanker, where this guy got his hands on a lot of footballs.
00:31:44
He led the country in Interceptions in 2023 with seven, came back with six more in a touchdown this past year.
00:31:51
It's been a two-time all-American.
00:31:52
So this is the guy that's got those ball-hawking tendencies.
00:31:56
The tackling isn't a huge issue, but it's definitely a weaker point of his game.
00:32:00
He's not as consistent as Sanker.
00:32:02
So that's something that he will definitely need to clean up, but I didn't think it was anything prohibitive.
00:32:06
I didn't look at it and say, like, oh, man, he can't play this guy.
00:32:09
I just thought that it was like, okay, that's something he will need to clean up.
00:32:13
Not a great athlete, a good athlete, maybe above average, you're getting into the tearing there, but I think at the end of the day, he looks like a starting save.
00:32:21
Which of those two Sanker or Watts, would you say, is a better Vic Fangio fit?
00:32:26
Honestly, I think both would fit probably Sanker, just because I think he's probably a little bit more reliable, whereas Watts is a little bit more volatile on the field.
00:32:36
Both guys, everything I've heard off the field has been awesome.
00:32:39
I know that Watts was a captain, so I think both guys stand out.
00:32:44
Well, the other name is a throw in there would be Billy Bowman.
00:32:46
He's probably more day three pick from Oklahoma.
00:32:48
He's just extremely small.
00:32:49
You know, you're talking under 510, 192 pounds, really short arms, really tiny edges across the board.
00:32:57
Very, very small at the safety spot, but he's really instinctive.
00:33:01
All-time captain, all the Oklahoma kids all rave about him, good athlete, pretty good week at the senior ball.
00:33:07
Like, he's just here checking all the boxes with him outside of the side.
00:33:10
Good for him.
00:33:11
He's fooling the quarterback.
00:33:12
Can't even see him.
00:33:13
You know, he's got that in his pocket.
00:33:14
I actually, I compared him to quandary digs and digs was, he was a corner, but they're very, very similar size, and I think the movement and the, the ferocity that they play with is similar.
00:33:24
You compared him to Tinkerbell.
00:33:25
Yeah, I compared him to one of the seven dwarfs, yeah.
00:33:29
Not like I starx, just to circle back, would be like a perfect fit for Fangeo, like plug and play.
00:33:36
All the Georgia guys, everybody knows that, but also just in terms of reliability, you think that would be like as home run of a pick as the Eagles could possibly get.
00:33:43
Yeah, I think that if he were to be available, that would be, that would be a really good fit.
00:33:47
I mean, Amon War, it would be great too.
00:33:48
I just, I just, I just had, I find it hard to believe that six, three, two, twenty that runs that way.
00:33:53
He's going to last to that point.
00:33:54
But again, I feel that way about starx, but you would, if you told me Brian Branch was going to make it to that far in the draft, I would have told you you were crazy a couple of years ago.
00:34:03
All right.
00:34:04
I got some, some woodpecker you rather is for you.
00:34:05
I love it.
00:34:06
We're going to start with a couple position ones, and then I want to put you in the, in the GMC for a couple of teams after that.
00:34:11
Okay.
00:34:12
Okay.
00:34:13
So first we're going to do, I have not heard any of these, by the way, this is all fresh.
00:34:15
Yeah.
00:34:16
We're going to start with running back, good running back class, obviously.
00:34:19
Great running back.
00:34:20
Should you, should you tee up what woodpecker you rather is for people that may not have?
00:34:23
So basically, would you rather, just with a bird pun?
00:34:28
It's pretty self-explanatory.
00:34:29
Yeah.
00:34:30
You can, you can understand it.
00:34:31
Okay.
00:34:33
If you're a team looking for a running back, would picker you rather any running back?
00:34:37
Yes.
00:34:38
I'm, well, I'm going to give you three.
00:34:39
Oh, okay.
00:34:40
Okay.
00:34:41
Okay.
00:34:42
So would, would picker you rather use a mid to late first round pick on Omari and Hampton?
00:34:45
Yeah.
00:34:46
Would you rather use a second round pick on Travion Henderson?
00:34:49
Or would you rather use a third round pick on Caleb Johnson?
00:34:53
So this is, yeah, those are, those are where those guys went in your mock draft, doesn't reflect your rankings.
00:34:57
So I think you might be leaning one way here, but of those three, I guess, rank the, rank how much you like those, those options.
00:35:04
I like all three players.
00:35:06
And I do think that all three players will be able to find a role in the NFL.
00:35:10
Henderson is the guy where there's a little bit of beauty in the eye to be holder.
00:35:15
Some teams may view him as a man.
00:35:16
Like, we can get him in.
00:35:17
He could be Archermere Gibbs and he would be electric and other player, other people might look at him and say, oh, like, he's more of a compliment and, you know, might never be more than robbing to somebody else's Batman.
00:35:27
Right.
00:35:28
I think that when you're looking at the way that Henderson can be used, where his best season came in college, where they bought in Quinchot Judkins this past year.
00:35:36
And that's when he was really able to stay healthy, Henderson.
00:35:41
I guess bang for buck.
00:35:42
I want to say Caleb Johnson around three.
00:35:44
I love Omari and Hampton though.
00:35:46
So it's tight.
00:35:47
So you might go Caleb Johnson on Mary and Hampton tripping on Henderson.
00:35:50
I think that's how I would stack it.
00:35:52
What do you love about Caleb Johnson?
00:35:54
I think you're just talking in terms of the the height weight speed element of his game.
00:35:59
He's, I think there's reminiscent of the Marco Murray and his, and his prime that just turned in terms of a big, sturdy, broad runner straight line athlete that you get from A to B.
00:36:10
But reads things out well from a zone blocking game standpoint hits his landmarks well and gap schemes can get downhill.
00:36:17
He's tough to get down one-on-one checks the box in terms of past game from a receiving standpoint and from a pass pro standpoint, things to clean up there.
00:36:25
But enough there that I still feel that he could be a lead dog in a backfield.
00:36:30
I will say Hampton is the better player, but I think that in terms of like round one value versus round three, I think you're probably getting more ROI from Caleb Johnson.
00:36:37
Okay.
00:36:38
Let's go to wide receiver.
00:36:39
Okay.
00:36:40
All right.
00:36:41
Ted Tyro and Mick Millan in the first round.
00:36:43
You're a wide receiver.
00:36:44
Three.
00:36:45
So well.
00:36:46
In the second round, your wide receiver six or the guy we already talked about Isaiah Bond in the third round, take the upside swing, your wide receiver nine.
00:36:54
If you need a wide receiver, which bet would you prefer to make?
00:36:58
I think I'm going to go with jailing the well in round two.
00:37:02
Just because I, to me, I think that that's your best bet to be able to get, to get quality reps out of at the end of the, at that level of investment.
00:37:13
I do like team act.
00:37:14
I like, I like Ted Tyro and Mick Millan, but I do think that there's not as much boom bus as some of the other guys we've talked about, but in terms of living up to what that perceived draft slot could be,
00:37:25
I could see that being an issue, whereas with Noel, 510, 194 pounds, been more of a slot guy over the course of his career, but I think he's a three level threat.
00:37:35
He's a really competitive player.
00:37:37
He's a good route runner.
00:37:38
Most of his usage came underneath, but whenever he's been targeted downfield, he's been really efficient and effective at tracking those deep balls and being that kind of a guy over the top.
00:37:47
And just a fearless mindset consistently shows up on film working down the field or over the middle.
00:37:52
He's a guy that I would just bet on.
00:37:54
I feel pretty good about him entering the NFL, and again, when you talk about the technical proficiency as a route runner, the competitiveness and the athleticism, he ran four, three in Indianapolis.
00:38:05
I don't know if I quite expected that, and then good other, they're all the rest of his tests across the board.
00:38:10
We're also a pretty good mark.
00:38:11
So for me, give me Jaylen Noel.
00:38:13
And with Mick Millen, you're just worried about not quite explosive enough as he would like for a top 20 Wendersiever?
00:38:18
Yes.
00:38:19
I think the big question is like the top end speed, the overall athleticism at 64, just about 220 pounds, didn't test it all at the combine by choice.
00:38:29
We'll see if he does decide to do anything at the pro day, but to me, that's a player where he might get shoehorned to being like outside the numbers only.
00:38:37
Can he separate like those kind of questions?
00:38:39
Okay.
00:38:40
You're a GM now.
00:38:41
I think these are a little bit more fun because these are sort of the conversations that they would have in their rooms as they're planning their draft process, right?
00:38:48
Okay.
00:38:49
So you are Andrew Berry.
00:38:50
Okay.
00:38:51
Now that I have that team, this is I like these more.
00:38:54
Congratulations.
00:38:55
You are.
00:38:56
You just got the Miles Garrett extension.
00:38:57
Okay.
00:38:58
Thank you.
00:38:59
You have that done.
00:39:00
You have an early pick.
00:39:01
Would you rather, first and second round, come out with Abdul Carter and a Mecca Egbuca, right?
00:39:09
Sure.
00:39:10
Travis Hunter and James Pierce, Jr.
00:39:14
So you're going, you're going wide receiver edge both ways.
00:39:18
Would you rather have Abdul Carter and Egbuca or Travis Hunter and James Pierce, Jr?
00:39:22
I'd rather have Abdul Carter and a Mecca Egbuca.
00:39:25
I think when you're looking at Carter, I mean, clearly, obviously a physical marvel.
00:39:31
What he can do off the edge is really, really impressive, pairing him with Miles Garrett.
00:39:35
I actually, I wrote in the, when I had Carter going to the Browns in that mock draft, Jim Schwartz has really kind of developed his double A gap, sugar in the A gap pressure package.
00:39:46
Abdul Carter would be a nightmare in those kind of, those kind of looks standing over the center.
00:39:51
And I think he could be really effective at that.
00:39:52
So I was kind of a dream casting there a little bit, but I think that that could be very fun.
00:39:57
But just being able to run him alongside Miles Garrett, I think would be very tough for posing offenses to deal with on a weekly basis.
00:40:02
And then Egbuca is just rock solid, just a pro receiver.
00:40:06
You saw that early on, like his sophomore film, you just saw like this guy's going to be in the NFL and just going to be a really good pro.
00:40:11
And so yeah, I would say give me, give me those two.
00:40:13
Okay.
00:40:14
You think, you think that, I mean, that's, you know, Abdul Carter and Miles Garrett, it's a good place to start.
00:40:19
Yeah.
00:40:20
Especially if you don't have a good quarterback.
00:40:21
Andrew Berry made some waves at the combine when he talked about Travis Hunter because he said that yeah, we view him as a receiver first.
00:40:28
And the, I actually, I enjoyed the reasoning behind it.
00:40:31
He said, look, his superpower is his ball skills and, you know, getting the ball in his hands and that playmaking ability, you can do, would you rather do that 15 times a year or would you rather do it 100 times a year?
00:40:41
Yeah.
00:40:42
Well, that's a, that's a pretty, I kind of like that line of thinking.
00:40:45
I still like him more as a corner, but I like that line of thinking.
00:40:48
I almost feel like the specificness with which he's describing that prospect makes me think he's less likely to take it.
00:40:55
Right.
00:40:56
I agree with that.
00:40:57
Yes.
00:40:58
And there's also all the smoke about them and taking a quarterback that high, depending on which inside you believe, you know, you might believe that to be true.
00:41:05
Okay.
00:41:06
Next up, you are James Gladstone.
00:41:07
Okay.
00:41:08
Congratulations on your bar mitzvah.
00:41:09
You're, you're finally becoming a man, younger.
00:41:13
Yep.
00:41:14
You have the fifth overall pick for the Jacksonville Jaguars.
00:41:16
Yeah.
00:41:17
Would you rather come out of it with LSU offensive lineman Will Campbell as you have in your mock draft and Tyler Williams or Jonah.
00:41:25
I didn't know Tyler Williams.
00:41:28
Is that what I have here?
00:41:29
Tyler Williams.
00:41:30
Tyler Williams.
00:41:31
You know what?
00:41:32
It's the auto correct.
00:41:33
You know what to note?
00:41:34
It's, it is the, the note app on the Mac is always just treacherous with its, it's so forceful with the auto correct.
00:41:44
Google Docs is not doing that.
00:41:45
It's just underlining it and suggesting a change.
00:41:47
The notes app is just doing it without asking.
00:41:50
Sorry.
00:41:51
Tyler Williams.
00:41:52
Tyler Williams.
00:41:53
So I was right.
00:41:54
Who is Tyler Williams?
00:41:55
Look.
00:41:56
What am I doing?
00:41:57
Will Campbell and Tyler Williams or Jonah, Savannah, Savannah, yeah, Savannah, yeah and Mason Graham.
00:42:03
All right.
00:42:04
So Mason Graham.
00:42:05
Mason Graham would be the first.
00:42:06
Right.
00:42:07
You're instead of Will Campbell.
00:42:08
You're taking Mason Graham at five.
00:42:09
This is a good one.
00:42:13
I think I'd rather go Will Campbell and Tyler Williams.
00:42:17
Williams is a little bit of a, he's, he would fit into the boom bus prospect.
00:42:21
The guy that I wrote that he reminded me of is actually a former Ohio State player in Jonathan Hankins.
00:42:25
Uh, Hankins was a big like 330 pound nose tackle with really light feet who had really good flashes and he's, he had a, he carved out a really long career in the NFL.
00:42:34
I could see that with Tyler Williams who didn't really look the part of a like a big time recruit or a big time draft prospect until this year, um, was kind of a flash player before that to really turn it on in his final year on campus.
00:42:45
Obviously they go on the national championship run.
00:42:48
So I think I would take the swing there with him in round two, pair that with Will Campbell who's rock solid in round one, I really like Mason Graham, um, but I would say like if I'm picking between Graham and Campbell,
00:42:59
give me Campbell.
00:43:00
And then I'd rather take the swing on Tyler Williams over the high floor player and seven IE, uh, the, the tackle guard from Arizona and round two.
00:43:09
I, I need to issue a more couple as well.
00:43:11
It's not the notes app.
00:43:12
It's the text edit.
00:43:14
Yeah.
00:43:15
I've been using text edit a lot of text in my, uh, my, uh, transcriptions.
00:43:18
Why does it got to be so much nicer than mine?
00:43:20
There's got to be a setting where I can give a different version.
00:43:21
And me.
00:43:22
I don't think so.
00:43:23
I mean, look at my mind.
00:43:24
It looks like I'm reading.
00:43:25
You just got code there, uh, you get hell, Vedika regular 12.
00:43:31
What am I doing?
00:43:32
What am I doing?
00:43:33
All right.
00:43:34
Okay.
00:43:35
All right.
00:43:36
Good answer.
00:43:37
All right.
00:43:38
Now you are John Lynch.
00:43:39
Okay.
00:43:40
Congratulations.
00:43:41
I've just hired numerous family members to work in the, in the front office.
00:43:42
Yeah.
00:43:43
Congratulations on all the kubiaks.
00:43:44
Yeah.
00:43:45
Um, and chana hands and linches.
00:43:46
Now you have them taking Walter Nolan in your recent mantra.
00:43:48
I'm sticking with Walter Nolan here.
00:43:50
Okay.
00:43:51
Walter Nolan and Virginia Tech wide receiver, Jalen Lane.
00:43:54
Okay.
00:43:55
Two players are really like.
00:43:56
Okay.
00:43:57
Actually, that is who you have them taking in the second round.
00:43:58
So that is your, that's what you have.
00:43:59
Or getting a little bit interesting.
00:44:01
Okay.
00:44:02
Tyler Warren in the first round.
00:44:04
Oh.
00:44:05
So to pair with George Kittle and maybe replace him moving on.
00:44:07
I'm replacing Kyle Yuscheck.
00:44:08
Okay.
00:44:09
All right.
00:44:10
Uh, and Jordan Birch is, is taking over as the defensive tackle.
00:44:13
It's Tyler Warren once.
00:44:14
Sneaky.
00:44:15
And Birch.
00:44:16
All right.
00:44:17
Yeah.
00:44:18
Birch definitely fits.
00:44:19
That's a really good pick.
00:44:20
Uh, Birch definitely fits.
00:44:21
If memory serves without looking, there are connections on the, or on the San Francisco 49er staff in the work.
00:44:26
And, and he definitely fits the body type of what we've seen with Robert Sala, defensive lineman, some of those big, powerful, like, yeah, I think of John Franklin Myers and some of the guys they had in New York.
00:44:37
Um, That's a good, these are, I could definitely see this scenario.
00:44:41
I'm going to go with the one that I had last week.
00:44:43
Okay.
00:44:44
I'm going to let you borrow Tyler Warren to the Niners as a, as a, as a, as a good splash.
00:44:48
That is a sneaky, like, surprise pick, uh, in round one.
00:44:51
They're replacing it.
00:44:53
It's also Debo too.
00:44:54
Like, yeah, this is, this is the new offensive weapon that they needed.
00:44:57
Oh, man.
00:44:58
Imagine all the things that you could do with new deadline.
00:45:01
Yeah.
00:45:02
I like that.
00:45:03
That's, that's one.
00:45:04
I mean, because Tyler Warren is a guy that they moved all around the formation at Penn State.
00:45:08
I mean, they were giving them quarterback snaps.
00:45:09
They were doing all kinds of fun stuff with him.
00:45:11
So, uh, I would imagine that Kyle Shanahan would have fun with a player like that.
00:45:16
We have a super chat from Fresh Prince, who says, "Fran, I know you do some analysis on the drafting history of the GMs."
00:45:22
It's a good question.
00:45:23
Do you have a GM or a team that typically matches up with how you would do things if you are a GM, like this question?
00:45:29
Uh, none that come to mind.
00:45:32
Uh, there's one that comes from one from the past, actually.
00:45:34
From the past, yeah.
00:45:35
Ten of, ten of seats.
00:45:36
Yeah.
00:45:37
There were, there were, there was like a two or three or stretch.
00:45:39
There were drafting a lot of players that I liked.
00:45:40
It just so happened a lot of those players that I liked did not work out.
00:45:43
[laughter]
00:45:45
You know, it was like the, the Corey Davis and Taywan tailors.
00:45:48
Uh, that was, yeah, that was a while ago.
00:45:50
Yeah, it was a, we were talking a while back.
00:45:53
It's a good question though.
00:45:54
Yeah, it's a good question.
00:45:56
You know, I would, look, I think that here's, here's my take on it.
00:46:00
There's not one way to, to skin a cat, right?
00:46:03
There's a lot of different ways that teams can find success.
00:46:06
I am a big believer in like, all right.
00:46:08
Like, this is our process.
00:46:09
We're gonna stick to our process.
00:46:10
Whatever your thresholds are.
00:46:12
Hey, you know what?
00:46:13
We're gonna be, uh, we're, we're gonna focus in, this is the, this is the aisle.
00:46:16
We're gonna shop in.
00:46:17
We're gonna major in, you know, power five kids with high athletic traits, underclass.
00:46:22
And we're gonna, we're gonna lean that way.
00:46:23
Or, hey, we're gonna try and find the margins on guys that kind of slip through the cracks.
00:46:26
And, um, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna stand fast on, uh, guys with high character.
00:46:31
And, you know, whatever, whatever it is, I appreciate that the decision makers that do have that identity.
00:46:36
Um, maybe it's just because I'm like, uh, I, like, nerd out on that part of it.
00:46:41
Uh, and I don't even know if that's even the right way to necessarily go about it.
00:46:44
But I do appreciate that.
00:46:45
Okay.
00:46:46
I'm all over the place there, but it's fine.
00:46:48
It's really reasonable.
00:46:49
Yeah.
00:46:50
All right.
00:46:51
Two more for you.
00:46:52
Okay.
00:46:53
You're John Schneider.
00:46:54
Congratulations on Sam Darnold.
00:46:55
Thank you.
00:46:56
But you need to protect this quarterback.
00:46:57
You haven't done a good enough job.
00:46:58
A lot of work.
00:46:59
A lot of picks.
00:47:00
A lot of picks now.
00:47:01
Do you double down on the offensive line and go.
00:47:04
Josh Simmons in round one and Tate Ratledge.
00:47:07
Ratledge in round two.
00:47:09
Tackle guard or.
00:47:11
A little spicy.
00:47:12
Oh, okay.
00:47:13
He falls.
00:47:14
You take Shadour Sanders.
00:47:15
Okay.
00:47:16
And then you also draft Marcus M bow.
00:47:18
Marcus M bow.
00:47:19
Marcus Bow.
00:47:20
Marcus Bow.
00:47:21
That's right.
00:47:22
I know this.
00:47:23
In the second round.
00:47:24
Get yourself a tackle.
00:47:25
I think I would go with the O line.
00:47:27
Uh, just because we did make a decent commitment to Darnold.
00:47:30
Uh, I do think that it's big enough commitment that you're probably not.
00:47:34
Looking to add a first round quarter back now.
00:47:37
If someone tickles your fancy in round two.
00:47:40
Round three of a Jalen Milro or a Jackson Dodd or a Tyler Schuck.
00:47:43
Like one of those guys you get to day two.
00:47:45
Uh, or around four.
00:47:46
And, you know, one of those guys felt to you.
00:47:48
The maybe.
00:47:49
But, uh, I think round one and quarterback after just giving that money to Darnold.
00:47:52
Probably not the best use of resources.
00:47:54
Um, that would be that would be my take on it.
00:47:56
So I would go with the two lineman.
00:47:57
Okay.
00:47:58
All right.
00:47:59
I'm going to give you an Eagles one.
00:48:00
Okay.
00:48:00
Let's make it.
00:48:01
Let's make it.
00:48:02
Let's make it.
00:48:02
How are you Roseman?
00:48:03
All right.
00:48:04
Congratulations on how well the beer can has.
00:48:06
Healed on your forehead.
00:48:07
And also the Super Bowl.
00:48:08
I was going to say much less that.
00:48:09
Let's go.
00:48:10
Uh, Zack's boy B C's Donovan Azaraku.
00:48:12
Azaraku.
00:48:13
As a rock.
00:48:14
We've settled it.
00:48:15
Donovan.
00:48:16
As a rock.
00:48:17
In the first round.
00:48:18
And Mason Taylor in the second round.
00:48:19
You get the LSU tied in.
00:48:20
As a rock.
00:48:21
As a rock.
00:48:22
Or.
00:48:23
Let's say Malachi Stark's falls.
00:48:24
Maybe this.
00:48:25
Maybe this is going to make it too obvious.
00:48:26
Yeah.
00:48:27
Let's do a different one then.
00:48:29
Okay.
00:48:30
Who's.
00:48:31
Who's.
00:48:32
Who's a tackle?
00:48:35
Who could go there instead?
00:48:36
A tackle who could be there.
00:48:38
Um.
00:48:39
I mean, Ariante Ercery.
00:48:40
Yeah.
00:48:41
We've talked a lot about him.
00:48:42
We've talked a lot about him.
00:48:43
Kelvin Banks.
00:48:44
Okay.
00:48:45
Tackle left tackle from Texas.
00:48:46
Okay.
00:48:47
Thought people think he could go earlier than that.
00:48:48
Probably probably.
00:48:49
We'll go earlier than that.
00:48:50
Josh.
00:48:51
Let's.
00:48:52
Let's say Josh Simmons.
00:48:52
Okay.
00:48:53
Because the injury.
00:48:54
That's a good one.
00:48:55
And that's almost like.
00:48:56
Yes.
00:48:56
That's a perfect one for the.
00:48:57
Let's do Josh Simmons.
00:48:58
Yes.
00:48:59
Let's do.
00:49:00
Josh Simmons.
00:49:01
Yes.
00:49:02
Let's do.
00:49:03
Let's say Josh Simmons and.
00:49:05
Derek Harman.
00:49:06
Okay.
00:49:07
So you go.
00:49:08
You go defensive tackle.
00:49:09
Yeah.
00:49:10
Time to learn how to manage.
00:49:11
Mm.
00:49:12
I think if we're going base solely off need.
00:49:20
You shouldn't.
00:49:21
I know.
00:49:22
I know.
00:49:23
So that's what.
00:49:24
If you're going both.
00:49:25
If you're just going off need, you would say it's Ezorako Mason Taylor.
00:49:28
Yeah.
00:49:29
I'm going off the evaluations.
00:49:30
I would go.
00:49:31
Simmons and.
00:49:32
Harman.
00:49:33
Simmons does feel like the perfect Eagles pick.
00:49:36
Yeah.
00:49:37
He's played both tackle spots in his career.
00:49:39
Started at right tackle at San Diego State, transferred to Ohio State, moved to left tackle.
00:49:43
He was playing his best football this year.
00:49:44
Got hurt towards Patelor in practice.
00:49:46
Or no, in the Oregon game.
00:49:47
Sorry.
00:49:48
Going up against our Carmen.
00:49:50
And.
00:49:51
So towards Patelor.
00:49:52
Out for the year.
00:49:53
We've already talked about with the.
00:49:54
The Colby Dean.
00:49:55
Patelor is a very tricky injury.
00:49:56
So what is he going to look like coming off that?
00:49:58
But the traits are impressive there.
00:50:00
So a guy that you could develop and see if you can turn them into a starting tackle in the NFL.
00:50:05
And then Derek Harman, light bloomer.
00:50:07
Was a little bit heavy and overweight at Michigan State.
00:50:10
This was a self described by him.
00:50:11
Transferred to Oregon, kind of turned it on and cut a lot of weight and had his best year.
00:50:15
And then parlayed that into being a likely top 50 selection.
00:50:19
Okay.
00:50:20
Which you would fall further than that in this scenario.
00:50:23
But.
00:50:24
That's a super chat from Jay who is a Ohio State fan, a Philly based Ohio State fan.
00:50:30
A lot of those.
00:50:31
He wants you to rank these six buck eyes in terms of their likeliness to be on the Eagles.
00:50:36
You got JT to immolia.
00:50:37
To immolia.
00:50:38
To immolia.
00:50:39
To immolia.
00:50:40
So I was having a lot of trouble.
00:50:41
We did the match draft.
00:50:42
And Julia can attest to this.
00:50:44
I could not get his name out of my mouth.
00:50:47
And I've got.
00:50:48
I've had the pronunciation right.
00:50:49
I might have died for two year.
00:50:50
On my notes for two years.
00:50:51
It's so imperative that you do the molo.
00:50:54
You have to.
00:50:55
You have to really accentuate on the mole.
00:50:57
Or else you can't.
00:50:58
There's too many syllables.
00:50:59
If you don't say you have to go to immolia.
00:51:01
To immolia.
00:51:02
To immolia.
00:51:02
Yes.
00:51:03
Okay.
00:51:04
All right.
00:51:05
JT to immolia.
00:51:06
Tileek not Tyler Williams.
00:51:09
Jack Sawyer.
00:51:10
Who is Simon.
00:51:11
Josh.
00:51:12
Not Josh Simon.
00:51:13
That's your boy.
00:51:14
The Tiger.
00:51:15
The Titans.
00:51:16
No.
00:51:17
Josh Simon is the tight end for your line.
00:51:19
Oh, yeah.
00:51:20
Yeah.
00:51:21
Yeah.
00:51:22
So what's the.
00:51:23
He's the line.
00:51:24
But the off-ball line.
00:51:25
Miles Simon.
00:51:26
No.
00:51:27
Cody.
00:51:28
Thank you.
00:51:29
Cody Simon.
00:51:30
Yes.
00:51:31
Denzel Burke.
00:51:32
The corner.
00:51:33
Yeah.
00:51:34
And then who was ransom.
00:51:35
Lathan ransom from.
00:51:36
He's the safety.
00:51:37
I was going to say from a high state.
00:51:38
Okay.
00:51:39
Now you already.
00:51:40
You already did mock to immolia.
00:51:41
Yes.
00:51:42
To the Eagles.
00:51:43
So that's a potential fit in the second round.
00:51:45
All right.
00:51:47
So I got a power.
00:51:48
How are these in order in the most.
00:51:50
Eagles likely most likely want to land on the Eagles.
00:51:53
Let's put to immolia out at the top.
00:51:55
Okay.
00:51:56
See like a Julia.
00:51:57
I'm saying it's so much better every time this time than I was.
00:51:59
You like a lot of the mock track.
00:52:00
All right.
00:52:01
So to immolia out the top.
00:52:05
I guess you have to go tie leak Williams at two.
00:52:08
It would be a potential second round pick.
00:52:10
Yeah, fit.
00:52:11
Yeah.
00:52:12
Inside outside versatility, right?
00:52:13
Yeah, I definitely got a guy that kind of fits that.
00:52:16
Hold it into your player.
00:52:18
You think they're a Sawyer team?
00:52:21
No, probably not, right?
00:52:23
So I think just so I think with Sawyer, you're just missing those those high end athletic traits.
00:52:29
Like he's got the dog mentality aspect of it down.
00:52:31
Yeah.
00:52:32
But I don't think that he's got like those those traits that the scouting staff and that how he would would trend towards.
00:52:37
I could be wrong there.
00:52:38
But I don't know that Sawyer would be there.
00:52:41
Denzel Burke is interesting.
00:52:43
I think he's a day two corner.
00:52:45
I thought he had round one talent early on is kind of like watching him.
00:52:48
He's a very talented player a little bit up and down this past year.
00:52:51
But Denzel Burke's a good player.
00:52:54
Probably goes a little higher than I guess.
00:52:56
Ultimately, it comes down to the.
00:52:58
You know, would they take it with you?
00:53:00
I feel like that would be a stretch.
00:53:01
A second round corner.
00:53:02
Yes.
00:53:03
But not impossible.
00:53:04
All right.
00:53:05
So then let's go this.
00:53:06
Let's go with this.
00:53:07
Let's go.
00:53:08
Simmons was on that list, right?
00:53:09
No, not on the list.
00:53:10
All right.
00:53:11
Not on list.
00:53:12
Oh, yeah.
00:53:13
This is all defensive players.
00:53:14
A T T.
00:53:15
Yep.
00:53:16
To him all the while.
00:53:17
Tileek Williams.
00:53:18
Let's go with Cody Simon just because he's a day three linebacker.
00:53:21
Yeah.
00:53:22
That would be a reasonable thing for them to do.
00:53:24
Um.
00:53:25
After that, let's go Denzel Burke just because maybe he's best player about a full type of situation.
00:53:29
Yeah.
00:53:30
Then Lathan Ransom because you're talking about late round safety.
00:53:32
Um.
00:53:33
And then Jack.
00:53:34
And Jack.
00:53:35
Sorry at the end.
00:53:36
Okay.
00:53:37
That's fair.
00:53:38
Good answer.
00:53:39
Anything else you want to talk about?
00:53:41
We got a question that just came in a discord.
00:53:44
Okay.
00:53:45
San Diego.
00:53:46
Become a discard also if you're a diehard member.
00:53:48
So not only do you get access to all of friends goodies, but you get to just ask him questions and ping him in the middle of the show.
00:53:54
Right.
00:53:55
All right.
00:53:56
Three part question.
00:53:57
He actually says doesn't necessarily need to be read on air.
00:54:00
But here we are.
00:54:01
Um.
00:54:02
All right.
00:54:03
First part.
00:54:04
How does it feel when your valuation of a player is way different from other analysts?
00:54:07
Do you revisit prospects if they start to creep up other analysts?
00:54:10
I don't think that's a good question.
00:54:12
Or consensus big boards.
00:54:14
Any put in parentheses.
00:54:15
Thinking about Ezoraku being touted as a first rounder.
00:54:17
And you've got him as nothing special.
00:54:19
Third or fourth round.
00:54:21
So.
00:54:22
It's a good question.
00:54:23
Yeah.
00:54:24
Good question.
00:54:25
I am very big on trying to stick to my guns.
00:54:27
I do the best I can with trying to stick to my guns.
00:54:29
Obviously, I don't think I know everything, but I've done this long enough now where.
00:54:35
You know, I wasn't putting it out publicly where I'm like, oh, like maybe I'm just.
00:54:38
Maybe I'm just wrong on this player.
00:54:40
I'd rather be wrong on a guy because I stuck to my guns than be wrong.
00:54:43
Because I didn't stick to my guns.
00:54:44
Yeah.
00:54:45
Of course.
00:54:46
Like I should I should have stuck to it.
00:54:48
So.
00:54:49
So yeah, I do try and make sure that I always especially because I'm friends with a lot of people in the business.
00:54:55
I'm always reading other people.
00:54:56
You know, you're trying to read other people's work and trying to give them support.
00:54:59
And they'll always ask for feedback.
00:55:01
That kind of thing.
00:55:02
So I'm always looking at other people's boards and their work that they put out.
00:55:05
But it's fine to disagree.
00:55:07
That's my question.
00:55:08
Yeah.
00:55:09
Do you feel differently if you are abnormally high on a guy versus if you are.
00:55:14
As an outlier low.
00:55:16
Okay.
00:55:17
Good one.
00:55:21
What is everybody else missing?
00:55:23
What am I missing?
00:55:24
It's a good question.
00:55:26
Because there's plenty of examples in both.
00:55:28
Yeah.
00:55:30
I am more worried when it's the guy I'm low on.
00:55:34
Because it's like, okay, like what am I missing here?
00:55:37
Like.
00:55:38
Jody Baron corner from Texas.
00:55:40
Right.
00:55:41
I've watched him for separate occasions.
00:55:43
And I just don't see it.
00:55:44
But.
00:55:45
I hear out of this, like we'll say like, oh, like Chicago bears a 10.
00:55:49
And I'm like.
00:55:50
My like my blog for me.
00:55:51
And I'm like, I got I got to watch him again.
00:55:53
I just got I got to do it again.
00:55:55
I got to be missed.
00:55:56
There's got to be something I'm missing here.
00:55:58
That is more the case or as opposed to when.
00:56:01
I watch him like, man, like I see this guy looks like a first round player.
00:56:04
Yeah.
00:56:05
And nobody else has in there.
00:56:06
I'm like, all right.
00:56:07
Well, maybe I just saw something.
00:56:08
I'm still worrying about it.
00:56:09
But it's much more severe the other way.
00:56:13
Plus I imagine it takes it takes more conviction to really raise a guy.
00:56:17
Then then to lower a guy.
00:56:19
Yes.
00:56:20
You're really feel good about the evaluation if you're pushing him up your board.
00:56:23
Yes.
00:56:24
I agree.
00:56:25
Okay.
00:56:26
What were the other parts of his question?
00:56:27
How many turkeys do you give to tape?
00:56:31
Senior ball.
00:56:32
Combine measurables.
00:56:34
Pro days with regards to weighing your opinion of a player.
00:56:38
All right.
00:56:39
Tape tape.
00:56:40
Senior ball.
00:56:41
Senior ball.
00:56:42
Combine measurable.
00:56:43
And I guess pro day at the same.
00:56:44
So we'll say like combine slash pro day.
00:56:45
It was combined slash memorable or measurables.
00:56:48
And then pro days as a separate thing.
00:56:49
But I think that's combined.
00:56:50
Let's combine combine.
00:56:51
I'm going to guess for you.
00:56:52
Yeah.
00:56:53
I'm going to go.
00:56:56
I'm going to go 80 tape.
00:56:57
Yes.
00:56:58
That's the exact number I had.
00:57:00
Yep.
00:57:01
11 senior ball.
00:57:03
Nine combine measurables.
00:57:04
No, it's the other way.
00:57:05
No, the other way.
00:57:06
No, the other way.
00:57:07
And it's.
00:57:08
It's probably like 12.
00:57:09
12.
00:57:10
12.
00:57:11
Yeah.
00:57:12
12.
00:57:13
12 combine measurables.
00:57:14
That even might be low.
00:57:15
So maybe it's like 75 tape.
00:57:17
And like 17.
00:57:18
17 combine.
00:57:19
Okay.
00:57:20
And then eight.
00:57:21
Is that number?
00:57:22
Yeah.
00:57:23
Yeah.
00:57:24
And then eight for.
00:57:26
Okay.
00:57:27
75 17.
00:57:28
Yeah.
00:57:29
That makes sense to me.
00:57:30
The big thing that.
00:57:31
That is so important for me for senior ball and for combine.
00:57:35
Is this is my chance to see them up close.
00:57:38
Yeah.
00:57:39
Like this is my chance to see the quarterbacks.
00:57:40
I don't go to pro days.
00:57:41
I don't visit campuses.
00:57:42
I don't go to games live for the most part.
00:57:44
Like.
00:57:45
So that's my chance to be able to see guys up close where, you know, I don't have that opportunity.
00:57:49
So that is the value I get from that.
00:57:51
And that can be different for some positions.
00:57:53
You know, it's more important for a quarterback than it is for a left guard.
00:57:56
But yeah, that's the that's the.
00:57:58
I think I asked you this before.
00:57:59
But are there are there memories that you have of anybody good or bad?
00:58:02
Who you your opinion changed on just by seeing their body type.
00:58:06
Oh, I have it's literally all the time.
00:58:08
Yeah.
00:58:09
Yeah, like.
00:58:10
Geerly.
00:58:11
You know, the.
00:58:12
And there was just some guys too.
00:58:13
Like.
00:58:14
And it.
00:58:15
And it is.
00:58:16
It is.
00:58:16
It is.
00:58:17
Panned out positively and negatively.
00:58:18
Yeah.
00:58:19
You know, I'm trying to remember the name of the kid.
00:58:21
You know, from a few years ago, Oklahoma had a defensive tackle at the senior ball.
00:58:26
Who the Browns took and like the very hungry.
00:58:28
Yes.
00:58:29
I loved him.
00:58:30
He was dominant.
00:58:31
It was not only that.
00:58:32
That was the year where it rained like all week.
00:58:34
And there was the one day.
00:58:35
It was the most miserable weather.
00:58:36
I've ever sat in a mobile where it was like.
00:58:38
I don't remember.
00:58:39
I bought towels from the hotel room.
00:58:41
Okay.
00:58:42
And I'm sitting.
00:58:43
So I'm sitting on the towel.
00:58:44
I got towels over my nose.
00:58:45
Like, it was terrible.
00:58:46
Didn't move for three hours.
00:58:47
Just like sat there.
00:58:48
And this guy was just.
00:58:49
He was bringing so much juice.
00:58:51
He had so much juice.
00:58:52
And he had off-field stuff.
00:58:53
Yeah.
00:58:54
You're not tonight.
00:58:55
Good.
00:58:56
Yeah.
00:58:57
Right.
00:58:58
But there are guys who are just like, man, like, yeah, like I want that guy on my team, right?
00:59:01
Like, you want to, you want that guy.
00:59:03
But then there are also guys where you just see them up close.
00:59:06
As a raku is a good example where.
00:59:08
And this was more, this is, I guess this isn't as much a like seeing him live.
00:59:12
This was more like getting the official measurement type of thing.
00:59:15
But seeing him come in with like the longer arms than I expected.
00:59:19
Because he looked at to me like, oh, like, this guy's more of a compact frame.
00:59:22
I'm like, oh, I like, he's got pretty good length.
00:59:24
He can't, he's showing that he can add a little bit more weight.
00:59:26
There's, there's size here to be able to work with.
00:59:28
I think that there's, there's a lot to like with as a raku all day.
00:59:32
Joe from UCLA.
00:59:33
Another one from this year.
00:59:34
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00:59:35
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00:59:36
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00:59:37
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00:59:40
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00:59:45
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00:59:47
First big board is coming out.
00:59:48
Ooh, baby.
00:59:49
Yeah.
00:59:50
I was just talking with Kevin this morning.
00:59:52
So, so yeah, the first big board is going to do a top 100.
00:59:55
I've already written the preface preface.
00:59:58
Yeah.
00:59:59
Preface.
01:00:00
Right.
01:00:01
I've already written the preface on it.
01:00:02
Because that was like what I thought was going to take the most work.
01:00:04
It's just basically teeing up how I put my board together.
01:00:07
Sure.
01:00:08
You know, what are the things that come into play?
01:00:10
Why is it going to look a lot different than any other board?
01:00:11
That you see.
01:00:12
So yeah.
01:00:13
So I went through that.
01:00:14
And the big thing with that is.
01:00:16
I hate rankings.
01:00:17
But it's obviously it's part of the.
01:00:18
It's part of what you have to do.
01:00:19
I'm much more.
01:00:20
For me, it's much more like read the player.
01:00:21
And the example I give is.
01:00:22
You know, back in 2020.
01:00:23
I had Jalen Rager.
01:00:24
Graded higher than CD Lam.
01:00:25
I had the same.
01:00:26
They had the same tier.
01:00:27
The same grade.
01:00:28
But I had Rager slightly ahead.
01:00:37
When I go back and I read my report of CD Lam.
01:00:39
It's exactly.
01:00:40
Like CD Lam is exactly the player I thought.
01:00:42
It's just that I missed on Jalen Rager.
01:00:44
Yeah.
01:00:45
So I don't look at that as a miss on CD Lam.
01:00:47
You might look at rankings.
01:00:48
Be like, oh, you were low on CD Lam.
01:00:50
Sure.
01:00:51
So that's why like I hate rankings.
01:00:52
Because you can color the way that it's kind of perceived.
01:00:55
I love CD Lam.
01:00:56
I just also happen to love Jalen Rager.
01:00:57
And I missed on Jalen Rager.
01:00:58
Right.
01:00:59
So.
01:01:00
You couldn't have thought of an example that made you look better.
01:01:02
Look.
01:01:03
If I want to pay, I want to try and show the whole picture.
01:01:06
I'm not going to say every single.
01:01:08
I'm not going to take a victory lap on the average day of his white.
01:01:11
You know, so.
01:01:12
So yeah.
01:01:14
Listen, I dated Charles Manson.
01:01:16
It's not that big of a deal.
01:01:17
You miss on some.
01:01:18
Okay.
01:01:19
You win some.
01:01:20
You lose some.
01:01:21
But yeah.
01:01:22
So to me, like, I just wanted to kind of tee up.
01:01:24
Like, all right.
01:01:25
This is why the board looks the way it does.
01:01:27
We can talk about it next week in terms of like positional value and things of that nature.
01:01:31
But it's going to be.
01:01:32
There's going to be two.
01:01:33
Two aspects of it.
01:01:34
There's the vertical board.
01:01:36
That's more like your typical, like big board, top 100, you know, that kind of thing.
01:01:40
But then there's also, and this is what I place the most value.
01:01:42
And it's the horizontal board.
01:01:44
So both versions will be there for you to be able to take in in this exercise.
01:01:49
I look forward to it.
01:01:50
Yeah.
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I look forward to next week's episode of the P.H.O.
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Before we go, friend, people want to know, where is that hoodie from?
01:01:58
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01:02:00
People were talking about it then.
01:02:02
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01:02:03
People love this hoodie.
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I have two versions of this hoodie.
01:02:05
I have this one and I have a gray one.
01:02:07
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There's just one of those lightweight hoodies.
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It's lightweight hoodies.
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I want to say it's.
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Dolce and Cabana.
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I want to say it's.
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It might be an old Navy.
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But I'm not, I'm not 100%.
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Nice.
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Meg got these for me.
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So.
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