In this episode of Deeply Intents, I chat with Jim Chang (0xJim), product guru from LI.FI. We begin the episode by answering the question, why do we need interop? Next we dive into the nuances of intent bridges, solvers, order flow auctions, MEV, and filler vaults. Thereafter, Jim explains the necessity of and philosophy behind Ethereum's Open Intents Framework (OIF). Directly after, we break down how the Ethereum Interop Layer (EIL), the OIF, and Ethereum governance interact. Later we discuss learnings from building products in 2025, including how to build distribution from zero and whether building a personal brand on Twitter is helpful towards these ends. We conclude by discussing Jim's passion for thrift shopping.

Timestamps

(00:00 ) - Building crypto products
(04:29 ) - Working with Alt VMs
(07:26 ) - Why do we need interop?
(14:12 ) - Intents
(20:16 ) - Getting pedantic about intents
(26:14 ) - Intent value chain
(30:33 ) - Intent verification
(33:47 ) - Orderflow auctions
(40:00 ) - Cross-chain MEV
(45:00 ) - Solvers are not market makers
(47:56 ) - Filler vaults
(52:27 ) - Popular routes
(57:25 ) - Open Intents Framework
(1:04:12 ) - OIF flywheel
(1:07:34 ) - Ethereum upgrades that support interop
(1:10:30 ) - EIL, OIF, and Ethereum governance
(1:14:17 ) - Product learnings in 2025
(1:19:15 ) - Distribution 0-1
(1:24:05 ) - Twitter
(1:28:00 ) - Thrift shopping

Disclaimer
Nothing in this episode should be interpreted as financial, technical, or legal advice. The host does contract work for Heliax, a public goods laboratory, focusing on Anoma.