Keith and Laura dive into Brené Brown's book Strong Ground: The Lessons of Daring Leadership, the Tenacity of Paradox, and the Wisdom of the Human Spirit. The conversation explores how foundational leadership principles transform both professional environments and personal relationships. Emphasizing the importance of building a strong foundation, Strong Ground and the discussion and reveals practical frameworks for responding effectively and with intention when facing uncertainty.

Keith connects with the book's strength training metaphor, recognizing his own need to build foundational practices rather than rushing into advanced techniques. He identifies with the challenge of wanting to skip the basics and the humility required to return to foundational work. The concept of above the line versus below the line thinking resonates deeply—understanding the difference between reacting as victim, villain, or hero versus responding as creator, coach, or challenger provides him with a framework for showing up more intentionally in every relationship. Keith reflects on his tendency to react rather than respond, acknowledging that building the capacity to pause and choose his response requires consistent practice.

Laura shares how the pocket presence concept transformed her understanding of preparation. She describes her extensive research before important meetings—not from insecurity, but as a way to ground herself and ask better questions. The rumble starters particularly stand out as practical tools she has already implemented, including phrases like "the story I'm making up," "that's not my experience," and "what problem are we trying to solve." These conversation starters help navigate difficult discussions without letting a "nice culture" prevent necessary accountability. Laura emphasizes Brown's key insight that self-awareness remains the most important leadership skill for providing stability when circumstances feel uncertain.

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Brené Brown's Strong Ground: Leading with Above The Line Thinking

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