After clearing the WeTransfer air, we get into subvert.fm, a collectively owned music commerce platform in development. The Subvert team calls the platform a direct alternative to Bandcamp. We discuss the concept of Subvert and who founded it (11:17 ), Bandcamp controversies: being sold twice and union drama (15:08 ), Carson vs. Will on enshittification (29:46 ), Subvert's structure and current status (38:04 ), and how we feel about it + are we signing up as artists? (49:46 )

Recs: Will - podcast episode All One Song :: Jeff Parker on “The Needle and the Damage Done” by Aquarium Drunkard, Carson - album Swag by Justin Bieber

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Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast. Theme music by Carson Tworow.