In this inspirational and exciting episode Pat Kelman is joined by Business Coach and cross-channel swimmer Claire Brumby. During a far-ranging conversation they talk about confidence, breaking out of comfort zones, swimming in a relay team from Dover to Calais, and Pat comes to terms with allowing listeners to hear more of "him" in the conversations.

We also hear a letter from a listener in Minnesota and our Review of the Week.

• Episode introduction [0:45 ]
• Listener's Letters [2:45 ]
• Review of the Week [4.55]
• Claire's start in cold water swimming [5.50]
• First experience out of a wetsuit [9:20 ]
• Getting out of our comfort zones [17:50 ]
• Pat's podcast "existential crisis"[20:20 ]
• Recapturing the feelings  [25:25 ]
• Swimming the Channel [28:00 ]
• What the experience has done for Claire [38:35 ]
• Contacting Claire [43:00 ]

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