🎧 EPISODE 2: Attachment
What happens when we get attached—to joy, to peace, to the idea that we should always feel good?

In this episode of The Human Experience Podcast, Dr. Carlos Garcia and Supna Doshi explore the hidden ways attachment shows up on the spiritual path. From plant medicine journeys to emotional highs and lows, they reflect on the illusion of control and the deep wisdom found in surrender.

🌑 “If you’re going to have the light, you must also welcome the dark. They are one and the same.”

Expect honest insights, personal stories, and teachings inspired by Ram Dass, Eckhart Tolle, and Michael Singer. This conversation is a reminder: our healing begins when we stop resisting what is.

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Attachment Transcript:

[00:00:00 ] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Welcome to the podcast, the Human Experience Podcast, where we explore the depths of spirituality and our own personal journeys and experiences. I'm Dr. Carlos Garcia. 

[00:00:11 ] Supna Doshi: And I'm Supna Doshi. In this space, we'll reflect on the wisdom of some of the most profound spiritual teachers from Eckhart ToLLE to Ramdas Wayne Dyer, Michael Singer.

[00:00:23 ] Supna Doshi: Together we'll dive into their teachings and share our own insights that have guided us on our own paths of self-discovery. [00:00:30 ] 

[00:00:30 ] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Each episode will feature inspiring clips from these masters, weaving them into our own reflections and conversations on how spirituality has enriched our daily lives, deepened our understanding of ourselves, and led us to a more meaningful experience.

[00:00:47 ] Supna Doshi: So take a deep breath, open your heart, and join us on this journey of exploration. Welcome to the podcast, the Human Experience [00:01:00 ] Podcast. 

[00:01:00 ] Dr. Carlos Garcia: One of the other episodes I talked a little bit about my experience with Ayahuasca and two of the most powerful ceremonies. It was really interesting.

[00:01:08 ] Dr. Carlos Garcia: 'cause one was, if I can describe it as such, it was just like pure light. It was pure love. It was pure just bliss. It was like this ultimate experience of just connection and purity. Then the very next night, all of the opposite. It was darkness. It was [00:01:30 ] evil. It was I say at times like, like going to battle with my mind and like shame and the evil of humanity and the ways that we often have treated each other through time and just like a darkness that I didn't know my mind was capable of.

[00:01:50 ] Dr. Carlos Garcia: But having come out of that hell the first sort of notion that arrived is oh, that too, right? If you're gonna have the other one, [00:02:00 ] this one's a part of it too. We are all of it. And although it often feels like there's a distance or that they're different I think the sort of resounding truth that arrived for me is like they're one and the same.

[00:02:13 ] Supna Doshi: How are they one and the same? Because they don't feel one and the same. 

[00:02:18 ] Dr. Carlos Garcia: When we bring it into the human experience the part of the human experience that, like where emotions are involved. Again, I'm [00:02:30 ] using challenges and joys or the ups and downs or the good and the bad, right?

[00:02:34 ] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Like that's the duality is that we're framing these things as one or the other. And I think in that is where we get lost. Like the experience that has been consistent for my clients this week is I just can't understand Carlos. I was just feeling great last week. Why am I here? I don't want to be here.

[00:02:53 ] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And this is confusing and this feels horrible. And it feels sad and it feels. 

[00:02:59 ] Ram Dass: I [00:03:00 ] work with dying and I say, what should I tell people about dying? And he said, Ram Dass, tell them, tell people that dying is absolutely safe. Which is a just a wonderful one-liner. I think it's a, he said it's like taking off a tight shoe.

[00:03:16 ] Ram Dass: So who would not trust somebody with likeness like that? So I asked Emmanuel, what am I doing here on Earth? Who made this error? And what am I? Why am I here? And he said, Ram Dass. He said you're [00:03:30 ] in school. Why don't you try taking the curriculum? Why don't you try being human? I never thought of that.

[00:03:35 ] Ram Dass: Understand, because I was busy trying to be divine. And I thought that if somehow I did it all perfectly enough, I fasted long enough. I prayed hard enough that sort of era of my humanity would disappear and I would be divine. And what he said was, your freedom lies. Through your humanity, not in spite of it.[00:04:00 ] 

[00:04:00 ] Supna Doshi: I think when you described ayahuasca, like that was my juxtaposition was my pregnancy and then the postpartum, like that was my light and dark. And it was it was exactly how you describe it, like polar opposites, like you can't understand. But I think, like I find myself with my kids. A lot of times, like they'll say something oh, this was good or [00:04:30 ] this was bad.

[00:04:31 ] Supna Doshi: And I'll say, it wasn't good or bad. It just was like, it's not good or bad, it just is. And that logical explanation Nation is so far removed from the feeling that it evokes. In us as humans that I think, like it's almost, we have to either be, we just have to be in our heart because our head doesn't get us there.[00:05:00 ] 

[00:05:00 ] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Yeah. I, one of the clients I worked with this week had just experienced a psychedelic journey with mushrooms. One of the pig sort of moments of insight and awareness for him. It, it was this idea of the sort of evil in the world. But that's part of my humanity too.

[00:05:21 ] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I'm capable of that evil too, that that lives inside of me too. But so does the beauty in all of the joy and like the love and the [00:05:30 ] compassion like that also. Yeah I mean I know that like for me. To make it a little bit more concrete For years I can see the ways that I pushed away, sadness, shame again these negative emotions.

[00:05:47 ] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And it's, and that. Oftentimes in the pushing away, in the resistance that I created of not allowing that in, I created more suffering for myself. And that as I started to open [00:06:00 ] myself up to feel more of that when it arises. The most amazing part is that when joy comes and when gratitude comes and when like joyous things happen in life.

[00:06:14 ] Dr. Carlos Garcia: My heart is able to experience it at a much greater degree. It's a reminder for me that I can't shut myself off to any of it. And that if if I rationally and logically, if I go into my mind and remind myself when [00:06:30 ] moments are really hard oh, let you know. So easier said than done, but this too, right? This is just another one. This is just another emotion. This is just another passing phenomenon. Just another thing that's gonna pass like this too, will go, this too is not here to stay. The trick is to then do that when things are going really well, right? Yeah. 

[00:06:53 ] Supna Doshi: To not attach to that.

[00:06:54 ] Supna Doshi: The hi. Yeah. And to say this too will pass. 

[00:06:58 ] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Not so easy. Hopefully. [00:07:00 ] 

[00:07:00 ] Supna Doshi: Yeah. Not so easy. I think that's the human experience, right? We as humans, like I, sometimes I struggle with the conversation about the universe, and then I do believe in free will and choice. And so I think for me, that human experience of, and I've seen it in myself very recently, is I create my own suffering 

[00:07:23 ] Supna Doshi: and I create my own feelings that don't feel as good as the high, and that I [00:07:30 ] have a choice in that, and that it's my choice that I am making and that I can something different if I want to and if I wanna suffer for what's.

[00:07:42 ] Supna Doshi: That thorn in your side where you know you, it hits you and then you don't let it pass through, and then it just stays there and it gets stuck and it grows. And there's also like the conversation about [00:08:00 ] the psyche and why is it that those. Quote unquote negative experiences are the ones that we will be playing in our head over and over again and continue to experience that suffering.

[00:08:11 ] Supna Doshi: We don't do it with the good stuff. 

[00:08:14 ] Supna Doshi: Our brains just don't do it with the good stuff. 

[00:08:17 ] Michael Singer: This is the artwork of God. All of it. Everything. Do people, can you go into museums where the artwork is really dark? Somebody very depressed. Painted this stuff and they [00:08:30 ] sell for millions of dollars. What was called scream was that famous painting, right?

[00:08:35 ] Michael Singer: You can't buy that thing for millions and millions of dollars. You understand that all of it is art. All of it. A rainy day is art. The sunny day is art. The hurricane is art. The tornadoes art is all expression. It's unbelievable. There are people really get off on chasing tornadoes. God is everything.

[00:08:56 ] Michael Singer: Everything is God. It is the expression of the [00:09:00 ] divine force that is infinite. It doesn't have morality. What is morality? Something you ma