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The Casino enters the arena + Guillermo Rauch of Vercel on AI factory builders

The Casino enters the arena + Guillermo Rauch of Vercel on AI factory builders

Update: 2025-08-22
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Is the AI bubble popping—or just catching its breath? Eric Newcomer and Tom Dotan spar over Nvidia jitters, Sam Altman’s “bubble” dinner, the MIT “95% fail” headline, app-vs-model margins (Cursor, Claude Code), and Chamath’s SPAC-as-casino shtick. Then Eric sits down with Vercel founder/CEO Guillermo Rauch for a fast, idea-dense jam: assistants → agents → multi-agent teams, why GPT-5’s real story is coding, “vibe coding” and code-last workflows, who gets paid in the era of AI factory-builders, whether to study CS, why taste beats code, and Guillermo’s six-month prediction for a breakout vertical agent.


00:00 Did the AI “bubble” pop? Altman dinner & sell-off vibes
01:16 MIT survey “95%” headline vs reality
09:04 Capitalism, incentives & Chamath’s SPAC “casino”
18:17 Interview starts — Guillermo Rauch (Vercel)
22:07 GPT-5 reality check & the “Einstein-in-a-box” test
37:37 Future of engineering + should you study CS?
48:36 6-month prediction: a breakout vertical agent; underestimating GPT-50

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The Casino enters the arena + Guillermo Rauch of Vercel on AI factory builders

The Casino enters the arena + Guillermo Rauch of Vercel on AI factory builders

Eric Newcomer | newcomer.co