What really determines whether a company thrives or unravels under pressure? According to John Touey, one of the country’s most trusted C-suite recruiters, it comes down to a single, often overlooked truth: the CEO, CFO, and CHRO form the power structure that governs the entire enterprise. If that trio isn’t aligned, nothing else works.

On this episode, AIIR Consulting CEO Dr. Jonathan Kirschner sits down with John — Managing Partner at Trilogy Talent Advisors and a masterful “C-suite whisperer” — to reveal what he’s seen across thousands of board conversations, CEO transitions, and high-stakes leadership searches. This conversation is a rare, behind-the-scenes look at what truly determines whether leaders succeed, stall, or never see the inside of the C-suite.

John breaks down how the CHRO role has transformed more in the past five years than in the previous fifty, how AI is reshaping the talent landscape in real time, and why behavior and culture fit are the ultimate predictors of executive success.

In this episode, we explore:

• The Power Trio That Runs the Enterprise. Why the CEO–CFO–CHRO relationship is the heartbeat of organizational health — and the first place to look when things break.
• The Real Reason Leaders Flame Out. Why even extraordinary executives fail when their leadership style clashes with the culture — and how to spot the mismatch before it happens.
• The CHRO’s Rise to Strategic Power. How the pandemic — and now AI — vaulted HR from supporting role to enterprise architect.
• AI, Talent, and the Future of Work. Why HR’s access to the richest data in the company puts it at the center of AI-driven transformation.
• Courage as a Leadership Requirement. The CHRO as truth-teller, stabilizer, strategist — and often the only person willing to challenge the CEO.

If you care about leadership, culture, or the future of work, this is an episode you can’t afford to miss. To learn more about how AIIR Consulting can help your leaders navigate change and shape a better future, visit aiirconsulting.com.