The first half of 2024 has been for the “pop girlie.” It seems like every major artist who’s dominated the discourse this year has been a woman, ostensibly making music about what it means to be a woman. There’s Camila Cabello's "Chanel no.5,” Lorde and Charli XCX working out the labyrinth of emotions that come with female friendship on the “Girl, so confusing” remix, and Sabrina Carpenter’s ode to the female ego, “Please Please Please." On this episode, Charlie, Nate, and Reanna – with some insight from journalist Ilana Kaplan – unpack these tracks at length, exploring what these artists are saying about femininity, and by extension, themselves.

Songs discussed:

• Camila Cabello – Chanel No.5


• Camila Cabello – I LUV IT (ft. Playboi Carti)


• Camila Cabello – DREAM-GIRLS


• Charli XCX – Girl, so confusing


• Charli XCX, Lorde – The girl, so confusing version with lorde


• Sabrina Carpenter – Please Please Please

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