On a "totally chill" late-fall day, Jordana and Shannon chat with multi-hyphenate author, photojournalist, and producer Deborah Copaken, who's a columnist at The Atlantic and a writer for Netflix's Emily in Paris. The mom of three was also once an avid biker — she'd bike 20 miles on the regular, without breaking a sweat. But then she got Covid-19 in March, and things haven't been the same since. Deborah — whose memoir, Lady Parts, is coming out next year — chats with our hosts about living with long-haul Covid-19, detailing her struggle with breathing problems, heart-rate spikes, exhaustion, hope, and more.

Music:

"Voicemail" by Khronos Beats

"Best I Can" by Jasmine Jordan (ft. Habit Blcx)