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The Scum Also Rises (with Douglas Brinkley)

The Scum Also Rises (with Douglas Brinkley)

Update: 2024-10-24
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The episode begins with a discussion about the "Law & Order" TV show and the folded piece of paper the jury hands to the judge before announcing the verdict. The host explains that in real life, the judge typically receives the verdict form in advance to ensure its regularity. The episode then moves on to a listener question about Trump's strategy of holding rallies in states he's unlikely to win. The host suggests that Trump enjoys the iconic venues and the media attention, and may be using the rallies for fundraising. The host also provides an update on the defamation lawsuit filed against Rudy Giuliani by Ruby Freeman and Shay Moss, election poll workers who were falsely accused of tampering with ballots. Giuliani has been ordered to turn over his valuable possessions, including his Manhattan penthouse apartment and numerous watches. The episode then features an interview with presidential historian Douglas Brinkley about the upcoming midterm election and the current state of American politics. They discuss the polarization of the country, the role of social media, and the potential consequences of a second Trump term. Brinkley argues that the lack of trust in media has led to a siloed news environment, where people primarily consume information that aligns with their existing beliefs. This makes it difficult to have meaningful conversations across political divides and can exacerbate polarization. Brinkley expresses concern that a second Trump term could further erode democratic norms and institutions, embolden authoritarian tendencies, and damage America's standing in the world. He highlights Trump's disregard for traditional political norms and his willingness to undermine democratic institutions. The episode concludes with a discussion about the future of American politics and the potential for polarization to continue. Brinkley emphasizes the importance of civic education and promoting a culture of respect and understanding. He believes that we need to find ways to bridge the divides and engage in constructive dialogue, even when we disagree. He also suggests that holding those in power accountable for their actions is crucial for restoring trust in government. The episode ends with a celebration of the New York Liberty's WNBA championship win, highlighting the significance of the victory for women athletes and the importance of investing in women's sports.

Outlines

00:00:00
Introduction, Sponsor Ads, and "Law & Order" Verdict Mystery

The episode begins with introductions and sponsor ads, followed by a listener question about the folded piece of paper the jury hands to the judge in "Law & Order" before announcing the verdict. The host explains that in real life, the judge typically receives the verdict form in advance to ensure its regularity.

00:05:33
Trump's Rally Strategy and Rudy Giuliani's Legal Troubles

A listener asks about Trump's strategy of holding rallies in states he's unlikely to win. The host suggests that Trump enjoys the iconic venues and the media attention, and may be using the rallies for fundraising. The host also provides an update on the defamation lawsuit filed against Rudy Giuliani by Ruby Freeman and Shay Moss, election poll workers who were falsely accused of tampering with ballots. Giuliani has been ordered to turn over his valuable possessions, including his Manhattan penthouse apartment and numerous watches.

00:14:13
The 2022 Midterm Election: A Conversation with Douglas Brinkley

The host interviews presidential historian Douglas Brinkley about the upcoming midterm election and the current state of American politics. They discuss the polarization of the country, the role of social media, and the potential consequences of a second Trump term.

00:34:51
Sponsor Ads, Menendez Brothers Case, and Memory in Politics

The episode includes sponsor ads, followed by a discussion about the Menendez brothers case and the recent Netflix documentaries that have revived public interest in the case. The host and Brinkley discuss the role of memory and forgetfulness in political discourse, particularly in relation to Trump's presidency. They explore how voters may have selective memories of Trump's accomplishments and failures, and how this impacts their perception of his candidacy.

00:45:30
Trump's Legacy and the Future of American Politics

The host and Brinkley discuss Trump's legacy and the potential consequences of a second Trump term. They explore the implications of Trump's divisive rhetoric and his disregard for traditional norms of political behavior.

01:06:34
The Future of American Politics and Polarization

The host and Brinkley discuss the future of American politics and the potential for polarization to continue. They explore the challenges of governing a deeply divided country and the potential consequences of a Trump presidency.

01:12:20
Celebrating the New York Liberty's WNBA Championship

The host concludes the episode by celebrating the New York Liberty's WNBA championship win, highlighting the significance of the victory for women athletes and the importance of investing in women's sports.

Keywords

Polarization


A state of extreme division within a society, often characterized by opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and values. It can lead to political gridlock, social unrest, and a breakdown of trust.

Authoritarianism


A form of government characterized by strong central power, limited individual freedoms, and suppression of dissent. Authoritarian leaders often use propaganda, intimidation, and violence to maintain control.

Social Media


Online platforms that allow users to connect, share information, and engage in social interactions. Social media has become a powerful force in shaping public opinion, disseminating information, and mobilizing political movements.

Trump


Donald Trump, the 45th President of the United States, is a controversial figure known for his divisive rhetoric, populist policies, and unconventional political style.

Midterm Election


An election held in the middle of a president's term, typically for seats in the House of Representatives and Senate. Midterm elections are often seen as a referendum on the president's performance and can have a significant impact on the balance of power in Congress.

Democracy


A system of government in which supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation, usually involving periodic free and fair elections.

Civic Education


The process of teaching citizens about their rights, responsibilities, and the principles of democracy. Civic education is essential for fostering informed and engaged citizens who can participate effectively in a democratic society.

WNBA


The Women's National Basketball Association, a professional basketball league for women in the United States. The WNBA is a major force in promoting women's sports and empowering female athletes.

Q&A

  • How has the polarization of American politics impacted the way we consume and interpret news?

    Brinkley argues that the lack of trust in media has led to a siloed news environment, where people primarily consume information that aligns with their existing beliefs. This makes it difficult to have meaningful conversations across political divides and can exacerbate polarization.

  • What are the potential consequences of a second Trump term?

    Brinkley expresses concern that a second Trump term could further erode democratic norms and institutions, embolden authoritarian tendencies, and damage America's standing in the world. He highlights Trump's disregard for traditional political norms and his willingness to undermine democratic institutions.

  • How can we address the issue of polarization and find common ground in a deeply divided country?

    Brinkley emphasizes the importance of civic education and promoting a culture of respect and understanding. He believes that we need to find ways to bridge the divides and engage in constructive dialogue, even when we disagree. He also suggests that holding those in power accountable for their actions is crucial for restoring trust in government.

Show Notes

Douglas Brinkley is one of the nation's foremost presidential historians. A professor at Rice University, political commentator, and the author of forty books, Brinkley joins Preet to discuss the historic nature of the upcoming election, and the precedent for a political figure like Donald Trump. 


Plus, ever wondered what’s in that piece of paper the jury hands to the judge before a verdict? Why is Trump heading to Madison Square Garden? What are Rudy Giuliani’s most valuable possessions… and why are they all watches?


For show notes and a transcript of the episode head to: https://cafe.com/stay-tuned/history-election-trump-douglas-brinkley/ 


Have a question for Preet? Ask @PreetBharara on Threads, or Twitter with the hashtag #AskPreet. Email us at staytuned@cafe.com, or call 669-247-7338 to leave a voicemail.


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The Scum Also Rises (with Douglas Brinkley)

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