Errol Morris and Hamilton Morris speak with Joanna about: Quarantined in the family house and loving each other; fascinated by the Iboga plant; the different paradigms of the history of psychedelic thinking and the evolution of Timothy Leary; a story of the psychedelic era; living and working in these strange days; being a mystery to oneself; an important insight while playing the cello on ayahuasca; the tendency of psychedelic medicines to precipitate the better parts of ourselves; the mystery and science of colors in psychedelics ; the intriguing liberation of Timothy Leary.