After four years studying in Dunedin, Alby has just moved back in with his mum Lina in Naenae. The two of them discuss Lina's career, Alby's grief, and whom our lives are lived for.

Content warning: This episode explores themes around mental health.

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After four years studying in Dunedin, Alby has just moved back in with his mum Lina in Naenae. The two of them discuss Lina's career, Alby's grief, and whom our lives are lived for.

When Lina Fairbrother came to Aotearoa from Sāmoa in 1986, the move was a chance to improve the lives of loved ones at home, as well as to give her potential children here more of a leg-up in the world than she had.

"That is the main reason why I came here: to help my family to have a future here."

A few years after arriving here, Lina, in her own words, "met my honey" in Albert Fairbrother, Sr. They married, had one son, whom they also named Albert Fairbrother. The three of them lived in Naenae, Lower Hutt. Albert Fairbrother, Sr. was 26 years older than Lina when they married, which caused some trouble at family gatherings.

"Uncle Maiava said, 'Oh, he's too old for you, look for another one,'" remembers Lina.

Alby's dad passed away when he was still in Year 12, something which dramatically changed how he experienced his last year at school. He describes attaining university entrance early, but his grades dropped so low in his final year that he was unable to get into university without sitting extra exams.

He moved to Dunedin to study at Otago in 2017, and took some time to adjust to the lifestyle and the community.

This episode was recorded the day after Alby left his hall of residence and his life in Dunedin to move back in with Lina. He recently got his first job, a graduate position writing policy for the Ministry of Primary Industries, the same government department that Lina, coincidentally, has worked in as part of the cleaning staff for the last 10 years.

Lina's perception of her job is an important counterpoint to the ways immigrant workers in cleaning roles have widely been portrayed.

"I told people at MPI, 'My team, we are VIP people.' They look at me and I say, 'We are very important people. Without us, who's going to clean your mess?' I'm not ashamed because it pays the bills, buys the food. I do it with passion because I'm a cleaner, and I'm so happy to call myself a cleaner."…

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