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Why Structure Matters More Than You Think. Writing Memoir With Wendy Dale

Why Structure Matters More Than You Think. Writing Memoir With Wendy Dale

Update: 2025-11-10
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Why do so many memoir manuscripts fail to engage readers, even when the writer has lived through extraordinary experiences? What's the hidden code that separates a chronological account of events from a compelling memoir that readers can't put down? How do you know when you're ready to write about trauma, and where's the ethical line between truth and storytelling? With Wendy Dale





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Wendy Dale is a memoir author and teacher, as well as a screenwriter. Today we are talking about The Memoir Engineering System: Make Your First Draft Your Final Draft.





You can listen above or on your favorite podcast app or read the notes and links below. Here are the highlights and the full transcript is below. 





Show Notes






  • Why memoir is about connected events, not chronological storytelling—and how to transform random experiences into compelling plot




  • The difference between scenes and transitions, and why structure matters in every sentence of your book




  • How to write about trauma and family without crossing ethical lines or damaging relationships




  • Why character arc is actually the easiest part of memoir writing (and what's really difficult)




  • The truth about dialogue, memory, and where to draw the line on fabrication — plus reflections on The Salt Path controversy




  • Whether you can make money from memoir and why marketing matters as much as writing





You can find Wendy at GeniusMemoirWriting.com.





Transcript of interview with Wendy Dale





Joanna: Wendy Dale is a memoir author and teacher, as well as a screenwriter. Today we are talking about The Memoir Engineering System: Make Your First Draft Your Final Draft. So welcome to the show, Wendy.





Wendy: Thank you so much for inviting me, Joanna. It's exciting to talk about this topic.





Joanna: First up—





Tell us a bit more about you and how you got into writing and publishing.





Wendy: I think I grew up loving books and I always wanted to be a writer when I was a little girl. I really dreamed of being a writer. My mother said, “No, it's just way too hard. So few people have success. Why don't you become an actress?” So I actually moved to Los Angeles when I was 17 to become an actress.





I really did not like the film industry at all from an acting perspective. I was studying acting at UCLA and decided I was really going to be a writer. That was when I changed and really felt like I'd found my calling. That was always what I'd wanted to do.





So I tried writing a novel at 19 that didn't go so well. But when I was 23 I started working on a memoir. From there, I have worked in writing in all different aspects, but really my first love will always be books.





Now having made that decision, I haven't always done the kind of writing that I would always want to do, right? So sometimes I've done ad copywriting, which actually I did rather love. I've done screenwriting, I've done all kinds of writing, not always my first choice of the type of writing I was doing.





For the most part, I have made it work though. So being flexible, you can't always get exactly what you want. I didn't say I'm going to only earn my living publishing books. I don't know if that would've been possible, but I have, for the most part, managed to earn my living as a writer.





Joanna: How did you get into memoir specifically?





Wendy: So I started trying to write this novel at 19, and it was very difficult and I didn't know what I was doing. I thought, well, it would be so much easier to write about my life. Are you laughing, Joanna?





Joanna: Yes, sure. Writing a memoir, right?





Wendy: So another misguided idea. I thought, oh, memoir would be easy because you don't even have to come up with the plot. You just write down what you lived through. Lots of misconceptions in everything I just said, but that was how I started writing a memoir.





Around this time my parents also made this decision that they were going to retire in their forties and take their life savings and move to a developing country. They sold everything. I mean, they really just fled the United States and moved to Honduras with the idea of retiring early.





So I went to visit them and I was like, well, this could be something to write about. So that actually wound up being the first chapter of my memoir.





Joanna: And you were telling me before you live in Peru, right?





Wendy: I do, yes. I've lived in Peru for almost six years now.





Joanna: Oh, right. So, why do that? I mean, a lot of people want to travel.





What is it that brought you to Peru?





Wendy: I lived in Peru when I was a child and really, it sounds kind of strange, but I think deep down I've always had this identity of feeling Peruvian, right? You look at me and Peruvians don't think I am Peruvian, but really, my first memories as a child were growing up in Peru.





Coming back here has been really incredible. So I feel very much at home. I've actually lived by this point, almost half my life in Latin America. Not just Peru—Bolivia, other Latin American countries.





So, yes, I've lived half my life in the United States, the other half in Latin America. So I really do feel at home here, partly because my first memories were growing up in Peru.





Joanna: Well, I think this might segue into why writing memoir is not just “this is what happened,” because I feel like, as you mentioned, one of the misconceptions is almost that it's just an autobiography. Like, this happened, this happened, this happened.





As you said there, for example, the fact that you spent half your life in Latin America, half in the USA, to me is immediately like a potential hook into stories about your life that aren't necessarily in order.





Talk a bit about that issue of it's not just “this happened, this happened” and how to think about memoir.





Wendy: Oh, I'm going to take a deep sigh here because I just think back to writing this memoir and all of the misconceptions I had.





Now, I love prose. I just love prose. I love putting words on the page. I think words are so beautiful. Sometimes I just want to eat them. I'm a prose writer. I don't like structure, I don't like plot, and I didn't even realize the importance of plot until I thought I had finished this memoir.





So first chapter starts in Honduras. The last chapter ends in Bolivia because by this point my parents had moved to Bolivia, and all the chapters in between are all these different countries that I went to on my own.





I'd finished the book, or so I thought, and I started sending it out to agents and really wasn't getting the response I had hoped for. Then finally I got an agent who called me up, and that was really good news, and she said, “You're a really good prose writer.”





I was like, yes, I love writing prose. And she says, “But you know nothing about structure.” And I honestly—are you laughing?





Joanna: Yes.





Wendy: Right, and I remember the words that went through my head. I was like, what is this structure thing she's talking about? I'd never heard the word.





So obviously I knew nothing about structure, and that was kind of the beginning of what I guess would become my life's work—really comprehending memoir st

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Why Structure Matters More Than You Think. Writing Memoir With Wendy Dale

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