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The Wellness Cafe146. positive psychology, improving sleep & feel good rituals with Nicola Elliot founder of Neom Wellbeing
The Wellness Cafe146. positive psychology, improving sleep & feel good rituals with Nicola Elliot founder of Neom Wellbeing
146. positive psychology, improving sleep & feel good rituals with Nicola Elliot founder of Neom Wellbeing
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Today Trin is joined by founder, author and fellow wellness lover Nicola Elliot to discuss all things Wellness. Nicola shares how she started Neom Wellbeing , positive psychology and taking back control over your habits and lifestyle.
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00:00:00
(upbeat music)
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Hello, hello.
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Happy Monday, my beautiful besties.
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Welcome back to the Wellness Cafe podcast,
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Your Go To, Hocker Walk Podcast.
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I'm your host, Trin Tondelier.
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Okay, let's start this week off strong together.
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You are loved, you are strong,
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you are capable of making anything happen
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in living your dream life.
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You are capable of being your happiest healthiest self.
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If you miss a workout this week,
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it is not the end of the world,
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your best is always enough,
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and TWC is always cheering you on.
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Before we get into this episode in case
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you haven't heard the news,
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merch is still available.
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Don't you worry, I got you because I know how podcasts go.
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I can see the numbers, okay, there's always
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a couple of you who listened to the episodes
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a couple of weeks behind,
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and I wanted to make sure that I had enough stock for everyone.
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So if you're just tuning in for the first time
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in a few weeks, the Wellness Cafe is first team hoodies here.
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It is a crew neck with cherries on the back.
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It is very wellness cafe core.
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You can grab it at the wellnesscafe.shop
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or the link will be in the show notes.
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I'm off to LA on Wednesday to go speak
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on another podcast panel.
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I am so excited.
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I can't thank you all enough for the support.
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I just, I wouldn't have any of these opportunities
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without you tuning into the Wellness Cafe.
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And I can't thank you enough.
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I'll be bringing you along on my socials.
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And then I'll fill you in next week
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and tell you how it goes.
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Okay, so right before us, I got this new magnesium bed spray.
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And you know that I love my bed spray.
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And my night routine.
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I take my night routine very seriously around here.
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Sleep is so important to your overall wellness.
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And I genuinely can't tuck myself into bed
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without spraying it first.
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Anyway, I tried this new magnesium bed spray
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and I fell in love with it.
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And then I saw the same brand
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had a magnesium bed time candle.
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Magnesium bath soak, magnesium body lotion.
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The list went on and on.
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So I ended up buying the entire line.
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And then I found out the brand Neomwellbeing
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is actually female founded.
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And I invited the founder, Nicola Elliott,
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on the Wellness Cafe today.
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So I am so excited for you to sit in on this conversation.
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We chat all things wellness, mental health,
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sleep routines, positive psychology, gratitude.
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It was just such a fantastic conversation.
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You know when you talk to someone
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who just gets you on a vibe basis.
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Like some people roll their eyes
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if you tell them that you journal every morning.
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And it is just, I'm sure you know this.
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It's so refreshing to talk to someone
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who actually gets it.
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And it is just as passionate about wellness as you are.
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Which is also why we have a group chat
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for every member of TWC
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to have like-minded individuals to connect with.
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The link to join our group chat is in the show notes.
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But we are welcoming Nicola Elliott,
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the founder of Neomwellbeing to the Wellness Cafe today.
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I love having inspiring women on the show too.
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Just inspire you and remind you
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that you can do anything you put your mind to.
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I think this is a great way for you
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to start your week with some girl power.
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I'll give you a little backstory.
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So after spending 10 Hucktick years
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working 60 hour weeks as a journalist
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for magazines like Marie Claire,
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Instyle and Glamour, Nicola really started to, you know,
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feel the effects of a fast-paced life,
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poor sleep, increased stress and low energy and mood.
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Which I'm sure we've all felt before.
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So in 2005, she decided to launch Neom
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after experimenting with essential oil blends
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and discovering the power that they hold to tackle stress
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and just the demands of modern day life.
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She also just published a book
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at the Four Ways of Wellbeing.
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Nicola is so inspiring and I'm just really excited
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for you to hear this conversation.
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Hello Nicola, welcome to the Wellness Cafe.
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- Hello.
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- Thank you for having me.
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- Of course, I'm so excited.
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I'm such a huge fan of your brand.
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So I'm really excited to get into it today.
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- Bless you.
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- For those of you who don't know Nicola,
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do you want to maybe just give a little intro
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about yourself and what got you into the wellness space
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and what basically just brought you here today?
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- Sure, so my name's Nicola, Elliot,
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and I am the founder of Neomorganics.
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We only launched in the States a couple of years ago
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and just under a couple of years ago now,
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but we are the biggest wellbeing brand
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or the biggest wellbeing platform in the UK.
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So we've been around for about 19 years
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before wellbeing was even a word or a thing in the UK.
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And we've now got eight standalone stores
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and we're in all the kind of big stores
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that you may or may not have heard of.
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And we really attribute wellness to helping you sleep
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your stress, boosting your energy and lifting your mood.
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I think it's a big topic,
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but the way that we kind of really drill down
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on all of our products, which are all natural,
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and all our almost therapeutic base,
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but a pack full of loads of other things like vitamins
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and magnesium and minerals, et cetera.
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They're all developed, those four categories.
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And they all smell amazing.
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And we kind of have this real lovely community.
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We've got a big social presence
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and we've got this big community online
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and also offline in our stores
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where people talk to us about wellbeing.
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When they may be not the most evangelist,
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they may be aren't, you know,
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we're not necessarily for that woman
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who knows everything about wellbeing.
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But we're for, we really supply the flag
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for every woman starting out on that wellbeing journey
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or kind of kickstarting it
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or adding to it.
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So I think our tone of voice
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and we famously say we're about some
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a no BS approach to wellbeing
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is kind of another thing that's made us sort of,
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well, super popular and say.
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- I really like that approach
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and it really aligns with the Onus Cafe
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because I always say if you have no knowledge,
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if you have a ton of knowledge, wellness is available to you.
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So I love that your products are really for everyone
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because sometimes wellness can be,
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you know, there's so much information
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and it's like, where do I even start?
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But I really like that. - Totally.
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- Neon just simplifies it.
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- Yeah, so I think what we've found,
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we're constantly talking to, you know,
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the people on our database and our customers
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and so finding out where they are with wellness.
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And I think we find statistically
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that everyone wants to get involved in wellness in some way.
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They understand that, you know,
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it's gonna make them feel better
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and they probably need help with one or two
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or even three or four of those categories.
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But they don't know where to start.
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They feel overwhelmed by it.
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And actually, when it comes down to it,
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they don't really have the belief
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because they don't have the knowledge
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that they have material opportunity
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to change how they feel in those spaces.
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So it kind of all falls off a bit of a cliff
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after the, you know, they understand the word
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and they think, yeah, I better get my head around
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feeling a bit better.
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It then is kind of, oh, do I subscribe to Peloton
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or get myself some supplements?
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And I think what we try and do is give them a framework of, okay,
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this is what we define wellbeing.
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And by the way, like other people have different ways
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of defining it and that's all cool as well.
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But this is our sort of, this is our benchmark.
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So people know, okay, I get it.
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And I feel a bit less intimidated
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by this being this huge big topic.
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But then simultaneously, we really try and say,
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you need to create a toolkit that works for you.
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And there's loads of different things
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that we're going to tell you about.
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And you can pick and choose what works for your life
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because, you know, where you are in your life,
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the issues that you have, what you're doing,
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where you are in the seasons, in the months,
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all of that kind of stuff is going to ladder up
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to what's going to work best for you.
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And also, probably most importantly,
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if you don't like the sound of some of those things,
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then just forget them and go to something else
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because you've got to create a toolkit
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that works for you practically,
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but also that you want to get involved in.
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So, you know, for example, I hate running.
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So, you know, that might be great for the next person,
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but it's not for me.
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I quite like eating healthy foods,
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but the next person might find the idea of,
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I don't know, a green smoothie or a matcha,
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just revolting.
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That's cool, it's fine.
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It shouldn't be something that's overly prescriptive
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because I think when it is and then people start going,
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"Oh, that doesn't work for me or I don't like it,"
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then they don't stick to it.
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So, I think whilst we create this kind of quite tight framework
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which allows people to understand where to start,
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we also try and keep it really, really fluid.
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So, you can kind of develop and evolve that for you personally
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as time goes on.
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I absolutely love that so much and it sounds like you,
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honestly, took those words right from my voice
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because that's something I say a lot before.
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I really developed my routine for me, I thought,
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I had to like running to get into the wellness space
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or I had to like specific things
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that I saw people promoting when really,
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I think it is just about finding what you like
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and what works for you and it doesn't have to look
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a certain way.
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- So, see, and look, we live in this space
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where everyone wants the new thing and I get that,
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but I don't think wellness should be a trend-led thing at all.
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In fact, I'm really empty that because, you know,
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I get sent things to all the time.
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I'm like, it's quite nice, it's quite fun and it's quite cute,
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but, you know, a big cup or a different type of supplement
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or an exercise band is not going to change my life,
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whereas some data on positive psychology,
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some new findings have come out about circadian rhythms,
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you know, people understanding how deficient we all are
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in magnesium, that there's some amazing, you know,
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new knowledge that we should all have about amigas
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and those things, they're like real game changes.
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So, I'm really funny about that kind of no BS tone of voice
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and look, if you love that sort of stuff and that's fun for you,
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a bit like going shopping or going out for lunch, you do you.
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But I think, unfortunately, we've become bundled together
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in this one category and it's a bit like saying,
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you know, eating out is just about going to five-star restaurants,
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no, eating out is about getting a pancake,
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getting a burger, having a five-star experience,
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getting a salad, having a snack, all these things.
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And I think it would be nice if the world
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this industry could evolve a bit.
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So, we're not sort of bundled together.
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And then I think that sometimes is why we can get a bit
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of a bad rap or turn people off.
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So, my section is very much, you know, that no BS,
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where, you know, I lovely if you've got all the time
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in the world to drink green smoothies on a beach at 7 in the morning
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or, you know, go for a very expensive treatment,
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that's brilliant, but it's not really the core of what we are
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about neon, which is those small steps
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that can ladder up to making a big difference.
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Yes, I couldn't agree more.
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That is so important.
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I would love to go back for a second and talk about how you
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made the transition from your really long work weeks
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to finding wellness and how you were able to do that,
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because I know a lot of my listeners are stuck in that side
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right now where they're working a lot in that like rap race
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and they want to get out of it and like slow down and find wellness.
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So, I'd love to hear kind of how you knew it was time to transition
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and how you were able to make those steps.
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Well, I started near I'm 19 years ago.
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And wellness industry was not a thing.
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Wellness wasn't a word, like it just wasn't.
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There was no, I mean, I live in England, right?
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So, there was no ones.
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I mean, there was like a dusty health food shop on the top
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of the road, which sold, you know, nuts and bags of two for one
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and an old banana and a basket outside.
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I mean, that's how dire it was just to give you a,
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'cause I think the picture is kind of quite important.
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Nobody was talking about anything.
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I mean, people barely had gym memberships.
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I mean, you're too young to remember this.
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But honestly, that was seriously the world has changed so much.
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And I started having really, really bad anxiety
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and awful panic attacks.
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And that certainly wasn't being spoken about.
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And that certainly wasn't a word.
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You know, you're anxious before you went on,
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I don't know, stage before you did a play or something.
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It certainly wasn't something that people were talking about
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that was affecting people's lives.
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So, you know, my mum was like, "Oh, you just had a funny turn."
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That's what it was.
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And actually, what's interesting when I look back is not only
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was that not spoken about and recognised in that way.
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So, it was quite scary.
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But also, it was not something that,
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that anyone was, people weren't having
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and talking about between themselves.
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So, it really felt like something would gone wrong with me.
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And I think also, nothing bad had happened.
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There was no traumatic event or something that I could think,
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"Oh, I'm having these, again, inverted commas funny turns
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because I didn't know they were panic attacks."
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Because, you know, I've gone through a really hideous time
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or something.
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It was just because I was shoving too much in.
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And I still think that's something that we don't recognise.
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I think generally we think about anxiety when, you know,
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something specific has happened.
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And sometimes, I think, just the pace of life is too much.
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And we, you know, we don't, we see downtime as a luxury,
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not as a necessity.
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We don't have that knowledge.
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As I said to you, you know, 90% of my customers at last count,
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just believed that they were either born good or bad sleepers.
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They didn't believe, they didn't understand
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that there was material things that they could do to change that.
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So I think, you know, there just wasn't that knowledge.
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And I, I started having these awful panic attacks.
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And I remember my mum say, "Listen, you've got to look after yourself.
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You live off pasta pesto.
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You never exercise.
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You don't see the light of day.
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You're working ridiculous hours.
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It's as simple as you have to look after yourself."
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And so there was no light bulb moment for me,
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but there was definitely a sort of period where,
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I mean, I re-trained as a nutritionist,
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became very interested in food being a part of an important part of healing.
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And on that journey, I went into the said,
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the sort of, you know, health food shop on the top of the road
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that I told you was, you know, I had nothing of interest in.
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Bar, some little essential oils at the back of the store.
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And I saw, "Hey, this is kind of interesting.
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I like the idea of maybe creating some little potions for myself."
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And so I bought a few of them, and I brought them back,
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and I started kind of working on little tinctures for myself.
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And then friends sort of started asking,
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and I remember thinking, "My gosh, everyone who I know
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is either suffering from stress like me
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and/or the ramifications of that potentially being in a different area.
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Might not be panic attacks.
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It might be something else."
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Or poor sleep.
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Or mood imbalance.
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Or lack of energy.
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And I suppose if there ever was a moment where I really wanted to create
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a well-being brand, and I sort of saw the kernels of what Neon would be,
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it was at that point where I thought,
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that is what we need to be looking at, you know,
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not just externally, but internally.
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They are the pillars that we all need to sort of keep in check.
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And then I created little blends under those sort of pillars.
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And, you know, I remember creating trays of them for, you know,
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my then boyfriend taking the energy boosting ones off,
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you know, the boys who played football, and, you know,
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my sister and her friends who are having trouble sleeping,
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and "Anna, Anna, Anna, Anna," and so the idea to create Neon
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was always meant to be the beauty brand that it is now,
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that, you know, a big kind of well-being brand that worked on all of those
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different areas with different products.
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But I couldn't afford it.
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All I could afford is to launch one product.
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And so we launched with candles, actually,
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because we found a really disturbing fact that the vast majority of candles
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in the UK and the USA were made of paraffin wax,
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which are obviously a crude oil derivative,
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and set it with some plastic fragrances.
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And so what I wanted to do was to create these kind of real treatments
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in a jar, these candles that would be totally clean, you know,
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made with just natural waxes, a whole load of essential oil,
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just essential oil in a very complex blend,
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but that as you lit them and they filled a room with fragrance,
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they would work as treatments.
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So it wasn't one moment, I suppose, it was my anxiety,
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my then sort of spotting what friends had around me, you know,
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a different age, a different stages of their lives, et cetera,
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all seemed to sort of be that commonality,
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and that's where it started.
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That's so funny, everything we say is just so aligned and so similar.
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I have a very similar story from just suffering with anxiety,
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and then one of the first oneness routines I remember finding
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is essential oils.
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Something about just putting them in your space,
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it just, it really can affect your mood.
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Like totally, when we speak to our customers,
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the thing that people seem to want more than anything else,
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before you even go a layer down into sort of sleep,
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and de-stress, et cetera, is material control over their own lives.
00:17:55
I think people feel essentially a bit out of control,
00:17:58
whether it's out of control because, and therefore, they're stressed
00:18:01
because of it, or out of control, their mood, or whatever.
00:18:04
And I think things that you can do,
00:18:07
learning that there are little things that you can do,
00:18:09
whether it's kind of the bath that you prepare for yourself of an evening,
00:18:13
or whether it's learning that you need to get outside in the fresh air
00:18:17
for a couple of minutes every day, learning those things,
00:18:22
gives you control back.
00:18:24
And so much of this data has only seen the light of day in the last five years.
00:18:28
You know, I think it's about 80% of all the information that we have about
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mood and positive psychology has only been around for the last five years
00:18:36
because it hasn't been the interest of the money put into that research
00:18:39
and those universities haven't, you know,
00:18:42
haven't let that data out into the wider domain.
00:18:44
So I think that's what we find is it's all about that control.
00:18:48
And so I'm very, very passionate about telling people,
00:18:51
look, you do have control.
00:18:53
There are things you want innately born unhappy or stressed out,
00:18:58
or a poor sleeper, or whatever.
00:19:00
There are things you can do.
00:19:01
And look, you might have to tinker around with a toolkit that works for you for a while.
00:19:05
Yes, it might take you a while to get there.
00:19:08
And by the way, it might change a bit, but there are things.
00:19:11
And you aren't just what you are at the end.
00:19:14
And I think, well, minute you know that and essential laws to your point.
00:19:17
I think, you know, what's they've been amazing for me and so many capacity,
00:19:20
the idea that you can create something when you get home,
00:19:24
like your own lab in your own little bathroom that works for you is actually really empowering.
00:19:31
And, and, and doing something lovely for yourself at the same time, right?
00:19:35
I couldn't agree more.
00:19:38
It sounds so simple.
00:19:39
And I think a lot of people almost refuse to accept how simple it is
00:19:44
because they think it needs to be over complicated and there's more to it.
00:19:47
But there really is something last night, even I was just doing the magnesium body oil candle before bed.
00:19:54
And by the way, I love it.
00:19:56
I own it all the time at night.
00:19:58
And even just like lighting that candle and then I use the bed spray every single night,
00:20:03
also obsessed with that.
00:20:04
I'm really into my night routine.
00:20:06
But doing that, it just makes such a big difference in my day.
00:20:10
And it's funny how it can be so easy as lighting a candle before bed
00:20:14
and just having that time for you to unwind.
00:20:16
It affects my mental health way more than I thought it would.
00:20:19
Do you know that one of the lovely things that I get,
00:20:21
we sell one of those pilgrims that you like at one a minute.
00:20:24
And one of the lovely things is when people say to me,
00:20:27
"My kids use it."
00:20:29
Or, actually, the other day I had somebody saying,
00:20:32
"You know, my autistic son now only goes to sleep with it."
00:20:35
Or, you know, children have gone away on a campaign thing.
00:20:38
How powerful that for the next generation we can tell them that there are things.
00:20:43
And of course, I believe that is a great tool in the kit.
00:20:47
But whatever you think that tool is,
00:20:49
that you can teach your children there are things that they can do
00:20:53
that can change how they feel, they can take back that control.
00:20:59
And I think the routine is talking of children is kind of crazy
00:21:04
that we don't do that when we're adults.
00:21:06
We did it like religiously as children, didn't we?
00:21:09
You know, you were like, "Whatever, I can't even remember my children are older now."
00:21:13
But you're in the bath at the 7th and then you're reading the book
00:21:17
and the glass of milk at 20 past 7th and then they're in bed with the light off at half 7th.
00:21:23
And that routine was something that as a parent,
00:21:27
you perfected and you perfected and you perfected and then they knew it.
00:21:31
You knew it and it was ingrained and it became slicker,
00:21:34
apart from the days when it didn't.
00:21:35
But that's another story.
00:21:37
And to think then what we don't do that when we become older is like, "What a shame."
00:21:42
We knew it worked.
00:21:44
Do you have any tips for the audience to get back into those little routines?
00:21:50
Maybe if they've lost it with age and like time and getting older
00:21:53
and just like the busyness of the work week?
00:21:55
Do you have any recommendations on how they can find that time for them again?
00:21:59
Well, you have to see it as a priority and you have to see it as something that you enjoy.
00:22:03
And I think that's the first thing you've got to switch it.
00:22:06
If it feels like, "Oh, I've got to do this thing because I'm not going to sleep with it well without it."
00:22:11
You won't stick to it long term.
00:22:12
It shouldn't be anything other than something you look forward to.
00:22:16
So, you know, I'll tell you my routine, which works for me.
00:22:20
But again, if that doesn't sound right for you,
00:22:23
then, you know, you must tweak it.
00:22:25
Because as I say, it's more important in a way that you like it and you stick to it
00:22:28
than it's perfect in inverted commas.
00:22:31
So, I like to make sure that I don't eat for three hours before I go to bed or drink alcohol.
00:22:41
And I've started, I mean, in Europe, obviously, we eat a lot later.
00:22:45
It's not so much a problem when I came over to state.
00:22:48
So, in the last week, brilliant that everyone's eating their supper at six o'clock.
00:22:54
So, that is fantastic.
00:22:56
But, you know, making sure that there's that leeway.
00:22:58
Because the latest data is that, you know, that's going to hit your blood sugar levels
00:23:03
and rise them as the food's trying to digest.
00:23:06
So, inevitably, at the point of which you're going to sleep,
00:23:09
if you've only eaten an hour or so before,
00:23:12
you're going to have a spike in blood sugar and insulin and that's going to affect your sleep.
00:23:16
So, first of all, make sure that, you know, all eating and drinking is done in that period.
00:23:22
And by the way, look, if you don't do this, it's fine, but at least know why.
00:23:25
At least know, I didn't have the best night's sleep because I was at a party.
00:23:29
That's fine. You're not going to not go to the party.
00:23:31
Just understand the difference between the two things.
00:23:34
So, in an ideal world, obviously, making sure that that eating is done,
00:23:38
then I make sure that I have a bath.
00:23:40
And I know you guys aren't so big on baths,
00:23:42
but actually sitting in a bath for the ideal time,
00:23:45
statistically, is between 10 and 15 minutes in a nice warm bath.
00:23:49
Because that is enough time for the essential oils to get into your blood,
00:23:53
if you're putting essential oils in the bath.
00:23:55
And for your body to regulate its temperature before you'll go to bed.
00:24:00
So, always make sure that I have a bath and I stay in there between 10 to 15 minutes.
00:24:05
I like to lace that with magnesium.
00:24:08
I also take a couple of magnesium glycates, glycate supplements, a couple of hours before I go to bed.
00:24:13
The vast majority of us are deficient in magnesium.
00:24:16
Why are food doesn't contain it, unfortunately, as much as it used to do,
00:24:22
first up, and secondly, magnesium is stripped from our bodies because of stress.
00:24:27
So, stress is moving magnesium through quicker.
00:24:30
So, we're getting less in the front end and more out the back end, so to speak.
00:24:33
It's needed for so many functions in our body, about 360 different functions.
00:24:39
And that includes stress and sleep, but all sorts of other physical functions as well.
00:24:43
So, magnesium is great to be taking.
00:24:47
We have it in the body butter, we have it in a bath milk.
00:24:51
And as I say, you know, by the way, you don't, you can't OD on it.
00:24:54
So, you can take it in a pill format, you can take it in the bath and in the body lotion.
00:24:58
I just slather it on.
00:25:01
So, I make sure that I go in that bath.
00:25:03
I like our perfect night's sleep fragrance because that is,
00:25:07
it's got some amazing, it's a lavender-based fragrance.
00:25:11
We also do a chamomile-based sleep fragrance if we don't like lavender.
00:25:14
But I particularly like that one because that was developed to really help people sleep.
00:25:17
So, I like to like a candle for about an hour before it really,
00:25:22
I'm breathing it in and the essential oils are working.
00:25:25
So, that's kind of sort of what I would do.
00:25:27
Then I make sure that I'm always in bed at 10 and read a paper book.
00:25:32
I mean, you know, people, we're told often about not going on blue light before you go to bed.
00:25:38
But the reason people quite often don't realise what that is,
00:25:42
and that's because your whole body works on a circadian rhythm,
00:25:47
which is essentially an internal clock.
00:25:49
But every cell in your body is kind of almost a mini one of these clocks.
00:25:53
That clock needs starting in the morning and it needs sort of turning off in an evening.
00:25:57
It does that via environmental cues.
00:26:00
Those environmental cues are essentially light.
00:26:02
So, you need to get out in sunlight in the morning,
00:26:06
kickstart that clock, I should say, early in the morning.
00:26:09
But then in an evening, what you don't want to be doing is telling your body,
00:26:13
it's the morning. You tell it's the morning by giving it blue light.
00:26:17
So, because that is a really, really powerful indicator that's morning.
00:26:21
So, you want to make sure that you're looking at a paper book or something
00:26:25
that is not your phone light, essentially.
00:26:28
So, I make sure that I do that.
00:26:30
And also, for me, it's very important to click from sort of going from all the business of the day
00:26:36
to sleep time.
00:26:38
I've also started, I was never a big journalist,
00:26:42
but I've started doing a little gratitude list before I go to bed.
00:26:45
And I just write five little glimmers through the day that have really made the difference
00:26:52
in my day.
00:26:53
And I make it that they have to be quite specific.
00:26:55
They have to be different.
00:26:57
So, I can't say every day, you know, I had to do it with my daughter or it's all my boyfriend
00:27:01
or, you know, it can't be things that happen regularly.
00:27:04
It's got to be something very different.
00:27:06
Like, you know, a stranger said, "I like your lipstick."
00:27:11
Or, you know, it was particularly sunny this morning on my early morning walk and I saw some
00:27:15
focuses or something like that.
00:27:18
Because I find, if I go to bed, focusing on those little glimmers, those little moments during the day,
00:27:24
I'm far more peaceful and I have a better night's sleep.
00:27:28
I go to sleep the smaller face, I feel far more, far more grateful.
00:27:33
So, I always try and do that before I go to bed on an evening.
00:27:36
So, there's loads of other things.
00:27:38
There's a million other tips that, you know, I could give you.
00:27:41
But for me, they're the kind of things that I really love.
00:27:44
I have to have the temperature at about 19 degrees.
00:27:47
That really works for me.
00:27:49
You know, a window open if not AC on if, you know, I'm in another country.
00:27:53
Temperatures crucial.
00:27:54
I'm a bit of a princess with a nice pillow.
00:27:58
But, you know, they're the things that work for me.
00:28:01
And I've made it that a night in is as much,
00:28:04
gives me as much joy if not more than a night out.
00:28:08
I couldn't agree more.
00:28:09
That's like my ideal night routine as well.
00:28:12
And there aren't many times that I will agree to go out
00:28:15
instead of doing my night in.
00:28:17
It's just, once you like perfect your little routine for you,
00:28:21
there's not much better than it.
00:28:23
Exactly.
00:28:24
And I did it on the book tour the other day.
00:28:26
The lady sets me up at my friends.
00:28:28
My friends were all asking me to, you know, to go out for dinner or not.
00:28:33
And you're saying, "Don't eat." And I said, "You need, you need girls' lunches out."
00:28:38
And she was like, "Oh, yes."
00:28:40
I mean, it was sort of tongue-in-cheek.
00:28:41
But I do much prefer a lunch, much prefer a lunch.
00:28:45
Me too.
00:28:47
So it's those little things.
00:28:48
Again, it's what works for you, isn't it?
00:28:49
But just knowing those things.
00:28:51
Exactly.
00:28:53
There was so much on your routine that I want to touch on.
00:28:56
I don't even know where to start.
00:28:58
I love that you brought up gratitude.
00:28:59
That's something that I talk about so much on the wellness cafe.
00:29:03
Because it is so simple, yet makes such a big difference.
00:29:07
And a lot of people hear that.
00:29:09
And they just, they think it's too good to be true.
00:29:11
So they never really give it a try.
00:29:13
Me saying it to them a lot on my own kind of can make me sound a little crazy sometimes
00:29:18
when I say it has so much power.
00:29:19
The brain is intrinsically hard-wired for us to be negative.
00:29:25
And the reason why is because that negativity is essentially
00:29:29
as looking out for danger. So if we see something scary or what we would perceive in nowadays as negative,
00:29:40
that is an inbuilt defense mechanism that we focus on that.
00:29:44
So we keep ourselves safe.
00:29:46
So understanding that our brains will cling to those facts more.
00:29:51
And why they cling to those facts, I think was quite a game changer for me.
00:29:56
Because then you can say, I get it.
00:29:59
And so therefore, how will I change that?
00:30:02
Would you change that by making sure that you sort of work on new neuro pathways through your brain?
00:30:08
So the neuro pathways is the patterns that your brain is going to make.
00:30:13
And you have to a bit like building up muscle in your biceps or your quads or whatever.
00:30:19
You have to practice.
00:30:21
You have to make sure that you're walking along those neuro pathways regularly to change your habit
00:30:28
from being what is very normally, quite intrinsically, negative to something for more positive.
00:30:35
So what I'm saying is you have to do this as an exercise to move yourself
00:30:39
from where you're going to be if you don't, to where you want to be.
00:30:43
So being grateful doesn't just make you think, oh yes, actually that was lovely in the moment.
00:30:49
It actually changes your brain and the amazing data that has been done only in the last again five years
00:30:57
on how it's called positive psychology.
00:30:59
Someone I really rate is a British psychologist called Vanessa King.
00:31:03
She's one of our very best psychologists, positive psychologists.
00:31:08
And she has launched something called Action Happiness.
00:31:11
Again, this is all UK, but you guys can see this on Instagram.
00:31:15
And there's some amazing data which you should get your head round,
00:31:22
which I think again, coming back to that topic of control,
00:31:24
when you realise why we're hardwired and how we can kind of rewire that circuit.
00:31:31
And the simple things that we can do to do it and the results of doing that from, you know,
00:31:38
brain studies is fascinating.
00:31:40
And when they map this on brains, they can see the difference.
00:31:44
The actual difference that they can see between someone moving from being a more negative thinking person
00:31:50
to a more positive thinking person.
00:31:52
So gratitude is, I love doing the things that make me feel better,
00:31:58
but I also really do like this to be grounded in data.
00:32:01
I think, you know, that's why I felt very passionate about writing the book was
00:32:04
to give you all the data that I've found that's, you know, not from me.
00:32:08
I'm just the conduit of all the brilliant people that I've been able to
00:32:12
meet having grown this huge platform and sift through that from all the BS stuff,
00:32:17
which is, you know, a bit woo woo or a bit left field or not really founded.
00:32:22
The actual stuff, and positive psychology, and to your question,
00:32:26
the gratitude point of that is huge.
00:32:29
I could listen to you talk about positive psychology all day long.
00:32:33
I've seen it make a big impact in my life as well, and I'm just,
00:32:37
I just love learning about it. I'm so obsessed.
00:32:40
I would love for you to step into this stuff about sleep because I keep hearing you
00:32:44
mention the sleep in your circadian rhythm and really making sure that you're
00:32:48
hitting all those bright routines to make sure that your sleep is correct.
00:32:51
So what would be, I guess your starting point for someone who
00:32:56
is looking and listening to this thinking, okay, my sleep is totally messed up.
00:33:00
I need to get on this. I need to figure out my sleep.
00:33:03
Where would you suggest people start for that?
00:33:05
So we did a brilliant piece of work in Neon with a sleep expert called Nick Witten.
00:33:12
A couple of years ago, and we created this piece of work called the 11 Gold Rules to Sleep.
00:33:19
It's actually in the book that you can google it at neonwelbeing.com for free and in it's there.
00:33:23
I'll run you through some of the key ones, but take us all day to do all 11.
00:33:27
What was really interesting was that Nick had worked with Oxford University in the UK
00:33:33
to bring to light a lot of the data where sleep's concerned.
00:33:37
Of course, when the scientists do a lot of this research, it sort of gets hidden in a vault
00:33:42
because it's a very different skill set, understanding the brain and sleep, and then marketing it
00:33:47
essentially, getting that communication out to people like you and I are doing.
00:33:50
So a lot of that information was sort of held in the vault.
00:33:53
So we went with him and said, "Can we get everything that exists all the very best data?"
00:34:00
And then let's sift through that so we can present it back to our customers because they're coming
00:34:04
towards for help with sleep, but I feel as I keep saying to you, it's about a toolkit.
00:34:08
Can I help you on my god, yes?
00:34:10
But actually, I need to also signpost you in all these different directions,
00:34:13
because wellbeing is not one silver bullet.
00:34:16
Like, that is key.
00:34:18
It's a collection of things.
00:34:19
It's a toolkit.
00:34:20
It's neon, but it's also understanding all these other bits and pieces as well.
00:34:24
So we did this piece of work with him.
00:34:27
I've touched quite a bit on the light.
00:34:30
Light for me was hugely important.
00:34:34
So just giving you an idea of light is measured in lux.
00:34:37
The lux of something like a candle would be about 30 lux.
00:34:44
The lux of something like an hour in an office would be about 30,000.
00:34:52
The lux of outside in, even an over clouded English day would be about 30,000.
00:35:02
In a sunny morning, it would be more like a hundred thousand.
00:35:08
So that gives you an idea of how much more powerful the light is
00:35:12
if you actually get outside in it for about 10, 15 minutes during a day.
00:35:17
That hits the back of your retina.
00:35:19
That then tells your body it's morning wake up.
00:35:22
It then makes sure that your cortisol rises in the right way,
00:35:26
not stressed out, but your cortisol rises, your melatonin is reduced and you are ready for the day.
00:35:33
So understanding why that happens, how that happens,
00:35:37
to get outside in the morning because a good night's sleep always starts in the morning.
00:35:41
For me, it was huge.
00:35:43
And whoever you are, whatever your social demographic is,
00:35:46
how much money, it's irrelevant.
00:35:49
You have material control over that.
00:35:51
So understanding that was pivotal for sure.
00:35:53
There's some more obvious ones that I think a lot of people know.
00:35:57
Clearly, caffeine has a half life.
00:35:59
So you've just got to be really, really careful when I can't drink caffeine after 12.
00:36:03
I just know that I have to get out and do some exercise during the day.
00:36:09
An hour of exercise is pretty important.
00:36:12
Making sure that you're out in that sunlight, not just for the 15 minutes during the day,
00:36:16
but for an hour during the day.
00:36:18
Outside again, it doesn't really matter if it's a sunny day or less sunny day.
00:36:23
It's going to be way more way better for you than staying inside.
00:36:27
Learning to relax during the day is a really important one.
00:36:32
So I spoke a lot about this, actually, with a brilliant psychologist that I really
00:36:37
rate from a UK called Susie Redding.
00:36:39
And she's done some research on how, when you go to bed,
00:36:43
it's very hard to tell yourself, right, relax now.
00:36:46
If you've had a very stressy day, if you can carve out micro-moments
00:36:51
of relaxation during the day, again, think a bit a little bit like a muscle.
00:36:55
When it's a bit like this, if you are going to go in a fight,
00:36:59
you need to have kind of done some training rather than just going into the fight.
00:37:05
And liken that a bit to little micro-moments of relaxation and then going to sleep on a night.
00:37:11
If you're learning just in five minutes during a day, just to have your
00:37:15
cup of tea or walk outside or turn your phone off.
00:37:19
If you're doing that a few times during the day, then you are in orderly in a better place to be able
00:37:25
to switch yourself off when it comes to sleep time.
00:37:28
So don't just think those little moments of relaxation that you're carving out during a day
00:37:32
are about relaxation or about, you know, lowering your stress at levels and your cortisol.
00:37:37
It's actually also very important to help you be able to then
00:37:42
switch yourself off when it comes to sleep time. So that was a big one.
00:37:45
The food we've spoken about, the blue light and the understanding the blue light,
00:37:51
that was also really important. So yeah, I think they were the ones that really, really
00:37:57
changed things for me. A magnesium. Magnesium, magnesium, magnesium, magnesium.
00:38:03
Yes, I love that you said you can't overdose on it because if you could, I probably would.
00:38:08
I love to do like the bath soak, the candle, the spray, magnesium is just one of my favorite
00:38:14
things, especially for my neighbor team. Totally. And what are some of your favorite things in your
00:38:19
toolkit right now? So one of the ways that Neon works is that you are attracted to the fragrance
00:38:25
that you need at any one time. So it's really funny because even when I product develop,
00:38:29
quite often there'll be products in my own range that I don't like. And that's because I don't
00:38:34
need that at that time. So we do a scent discovery test in a lot of our stores where you can go and
00:38:40
you can smell and you can find out what you need. So it's kind of important for me to say that first
00:38:44
up. But something's I'm using at the moment. So actually I'm going on holiday on Sunday and I'm
00:38:49
not a great flyer. And we have this calming pen, which has got our real luxury fragrance,
00:38:55
by the way, you can get this in other things if you don't want it in a calming pen. We do it in
00:38:59
candles and magnesium bath products, etc. But it's got 24 essential oils and it's got some jasmine,
00:39:06
it's got some lavender, it's got some rosewood, it's gorgeous, it's like a really creamy kind of
00:39:12
cashmere blanket. And it was the fragrance that I created for my own anxiety. So we're always
00:39:18
used that when I'm feeling stressed out. And the calming pen is something that is kind of it's like
00:39:22
the most intense version of that. With also Valerian root extracts, Valerian root extracts
00:39:28
is brilliant for de-stressing. So I like to take that with me if I'm flying somewhere.
00:39:35
I love the tense of skin treatment candle, which actually has gone down a storm in America.
00:39:43
You guys, it's really interesting. You guys spend more time on your own wellness than we do in the UK.
00:39:47
Maybe that's not surprising, but you can pour that on yourself. And so many people use it as a
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massage. I'm very selfish and you only use it on myself, but I do use it if I've got really dry skin
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because I find it's like the most nourishing thing. I love obviously we've spoken so much about
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magnesium, but I also like our new wellness soak. I'm a bit funny with oils in general, but I think
00:40:12
people oils get a bad rap because when you use a silicon oil, the reason it's so sticky is because
00:40:18
it sticks on the skin because essentially it's plastic. So obviously it's not going to soak in and
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nor do you want it to soak in because it's got mineral oil and it's going to be horrible and tacky
00:40:27
and sit on the edge of your skin. If you're using a natural body oil like the neon one or a bath oil,
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not only is it packed full of, it's got like eight vitamin minerals in our back in our wellness
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soak. So not only is it packed full of the vitamins, but it's going to soak in because it's a natural oil.
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When you get a good oil, it makes a huge difference to your skin. So I love that and I actually use that
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as an after sun as well and I use it when I was pregnant with the children. I never got any lines
00:41:00
or anything like that was amazing. So that's a bit of a kind of multitasking product. We have our
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little mini pods. I like to take those with me if I'm on the go if I go somewhere. I like it with
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if I'm working and we have a fragrance called Focus the Mind which I actually my son's gave
00:41:18
to his exams at the moment. I put that on. It's pretty hardcore but it's like it's really it really
00:41:26
helps you focus. It's like a really green eucalyptus pine fragrance but got it get your head in space.
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We have a super shower power, shower gel which is like marmite. People love it or hate it. It's the
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zingiest, most freshest thing you're ever going to smell. But if you're kind of a fan of the cold
00:41:50
shower experience or maybe if you like the idea of the cold shower experience in the morning but
00:41:54
don't have the guts to do it then that is really really good. But you know there are some people
00:41:59
that like oh no it's far too zinging. So I do like I do like that but I don't like that I'm a cold
00:42:06
morning because it's like I'm a bit wet like that but I love that when it's you know cold when it's
00:42:12
warm outside or it's sticky or you know you want that kind of real wake me up. So all of them they've
00:42:18
all been designed for those kind of pain points in people's lives where you know they they need that
00:42:24
that real kick. Everything smells lovely but we're not fragrance brand at all. We're very much
00:42:30
about those kind of moments that you know you need a bit help with. Yeah that's what I love about
00:42:35
the products as well because I am such an I put such an effort to some making sure that I have only
00:42:41
clean products in my space but I love to light a candle and that's why I'm so obsessed with your
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candles because I finally found one that I feel like alright with knowing that I'm burning in my
00:42:52
environment without like releasing toxins into the environment at the same time. Totally. I mean
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you know those three wick candles you know the little sort of brown bottles of essential oil
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they have about four bottles of those in each candle and that's just crazy if you think about that
00:43:08
but that's because obviously we won't put scent booster or binder in a candle and that's standard
00:43:13
you've got to be so careful with marketing it's even worse than America like you know here you can
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say one you can say natural when it's 1% natural so we only use natural axes and we only use essential
00:43:26
oils we use no synthetic fragrances we use no boost as binders all of that stuff that is that is
00:43:31
pretty standard in candle making and yeah it's really hard I mean I comb the globe to find if there's
00:43:37
another one that says good as those I mean just interested and they never are they're very expensive
00:43:42
to make and they're very difficult to make and I constantly have to test on harvests of essential oils
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because a bit like if you went to the store and orange is tasted one way one day and then you went
00:43:55
back two weeks later or a month later and they taste differently it's the same with natural essential oils
00:44:01
because I can't press a button on like 10,000 of them and they keep coming out the same I'm checking
00:44:06
harvests and sometimes they're sweeter sometimes they're less so and that affects the overall blend
00:44:12
so it's a they're they're a pain to work with you know natural's are a pain and that's why I think
00:44:17
a lot of big brands understandably don't want to do it but but we do we took the challenge job
00:44:25
yeah yeah that's actually interesting to know because I honestly couldn't really find one until
00:44:30
I found yours and that's why like I said I was just kind of burning them anyway because I liked it but
00:44:35
I knew in the back of my mind that I probably should be looking a little harder to find one that was
00:44:39
good for the environment and myself as well I know that we're a bit crunched for time here but before
00:44:46
you leave I just wanted to ask as well because TWC is obsessed with our night routines and magnesium
00:44:53
and I know that they are just going to be so interested in all of this if you had one product that
00:44:59
you would like to recommend for night routines that you think is the perfect like starting point
00:45:03
out of everything what would you say it is I think it would have to be the um
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pillow mist because um it we sell as I said one per minute and it's a really handy thing for you
00:45:19
to take with you wherever you are it's that final step after hopefully you've had the bath and
00:45:25
hopefully you've written a gratitude list um it really works the testimonials that we get for that
00:45:31
are amazing and again it's all natural so you you know you're not breathing anything
00:45:36
funny on the pillow um and I've used it on the my own children since there were babies on their
00:45:41
carts um we have we sell more impacts of four than we're doing one because you know typically the
00:45:48
mom is buying for you know children and husbands and you know everyone uses it um so I think it
00:45:56
probably would be that yeah I I agree too it's one of my favorites I only started getting into
00:46:02
like pillow sprays about a year ago it's funny my boyfriend always says that I'll do it once
00:46:08
he's already in bed so sometimes he feels like he's being like showered in it and I'm like oh sorry
00:46:12
I've just started doing it before he's in bed too well he should be so okay you helping him I know
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I know I'm like just close your eyes or also feel like a little shower but he loves it
00:46:23
well thank you so much for coming on the Wanness Cafe today it was so great to hear about your
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story and the brand and I know that the Wanness Cafe is also going to just have a ball with this
00:46:37
episode really thank you so much I really appreciate you asking me on course thank you so much for being
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here all right I hope you enjoyed today's episode if you want to try any of the products mentioned
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her brand is Neum well being I would highly recommend and if you want to get the Wanness Cafe
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team hoodie you can head to at thewannesscafe.shop if you enjoyed today's episode it would mean the
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world to me if you left a rating and review and I will see you next week to debrief on the panel
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