In this episode of Blindsight, host Bill Lundgren continues the journey through the 12-step program, diving into Step Eight: "Made a list of all persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all." Returning guest Jeff Schlund from the Betty Ford Center shares honest and heartfelt reflections on what it means to be ready to make amends—and how this step was a turning point in his own recovery.


They discuss how memory, humility, and fear all play roles in the process, and why putting ourselves on the list of those we’ve harmed might be one of the most overlooked yet healing parts of the journey. Jeff shares his story of relapse and resilience, and how step eight helped him discover a deeper sense of accountability, hope, and empowerment.




⏱️ Chapter Markers:

00:00 – Introduction to Step Eight

02:24 – Jeff’s recovery story and Betty Ford experience

04:45 – The evolving list of people harmed

07:09 – Making amends to yourself

09:29 – The danger of unchecked guilt

11:07 – Step Eight is not a race

14:45 – The difference between amends and apology

18:38 – Accepting outcomes when making amends

20:40 – Jumping ahead to Step Nine too soon

22:18 – The importance of readiness and memory

24:24 – Jeff's personal turning point

27:59 – Real support from others in recovery

30:22 – The roots of the program and real change

32:31 – Surrender and serious recovery

34:42 – Relief and empowerment from willingness

36:16 – “The only thing you have to change is everything”

38:14 – Closing thoughts and next episode preview



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