In this heartfelt and grounded episode of Blindsight, host Bill Lundgren wraps up the 12-step series with guest Kevin Petersen, focusing on Step 12 of Alcoholics Anonymous: Having had a spiritual awakening... we tried to carry this message to alcoholics and to practice these principles in all our affairs.


Kevin brings clarity, humor, and wisdom to the spiritual and practical sides of Step 12. They unpack what a “spiritual awakening” really looks like—hint: it’s not lightning bolts—and how helping others starts with showing up and being human. This conversation digs deep into humility, relapse, perfectionism, and why stability is the new sexy. Whether you’re in recovery, love someone who is, or just want to live a more honest and connected life, this episode is a gift.



⏱️ Chapter Markers

00:00 – Welcome to Blindsight

01:00 – Step 12: Reading and breakdown

02:15 – The circle and triangle: spiritual and technical meaning

03:50 – Carrying the mess vs. the message

04:35 – Having a spiritual awakening: what it really means

06:40 – Humility and helping others (without losing yourself)

09:20 – “Stability is the new sexy”

10:55 – What’s the message we carry? (Hint: It’s hope)

13:00 – Relapse, grace, and compassion in recovery

15:50 – Why shame doesn’t heal anyone

17:45 – Perfectionism in the blind and disabled communities

20:30 – God moments, FaceTime sign language, and awareness

22:50 – Practicing the principles in all our affairs

25:15 – Humanity > Perfection

27:45 – Recovery as a second chance

30:15 – Final thoughts: Community, flexibility, and finding joy

32:30 – Feedback invitation and contact info



📞 Contact Info

Phone: (720) 712-8856

Email: feedback@aftersight.org

Website: aftersight.org