In this episode of Blindsight, host Bill Lundgren welcomes back Jeff Schlund from the Betty Ford Center to discuss Step Six of the 12-Step Program. Step Six is about being entirely ready to have a higher power remove defects of character.


Jeff shares insights from his 22 years of sobriety, emphasizing that alcoholism is not a defect of character but a disease—while defects of character arise from behavior patterns that develop alongside addiction. The discussion covers topics such as perfectionism, shame, and self-doubt, highlighting how these issues affect both people in recovery and those outside of it.



Bill and Jeff explore:


The fear and relief that comes with surrendering to a higher power

How accountability partners, therapists, and sponsors can provide guidance

Why taking action—even if imperfect—is crucial to personal growth

The broader applicability of Step Six beyond substance addiction

Jeff shares personal reflections on his own recovery journey and how making a conscious decision to let go of destructive habits led him toward a healthier, more intentional life.



Chapter Markers:

⏱ 00:20 – Introduction by Bill Lundgren, discussing Step Six and welcoming Jeff Schlund

⏱ 02:32 – What is Step Six? Being ready to remove defects of character

⏱ 04:47 – Alcoholism as a disease vs. defects of character

⏱ 07:10 – Common defects: Perfectionism, shame, dishonesty

⏱ 09:39 – The challenge of turning over defects to a higher power

⏱ 11:50 – Recognizing patterns in behavior and making changes

⏱ 13:57 – The role of therapists, sponsors, and accountability

⏱ 16:20 – Why Step Six is a ‘half-step’ leading to deeper work

⏱ 19:40 – Learning to take responsibility and seek help

⏱ 26:08 – Perfectionism in recovery and for people with disabilities

⏱ 31:30 – Advice for taking action and embracing change

⏱ 34:41 – Closing thoughts, resources, and where to find help



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💡 Additional Resources:


Alcoholics Anonymous Intergroup (Find accessible meetings and resources)

Betty Ford Center (Support for addiction recovery)