In this episode we continue to explore Dōgen's chapter, 'The Mountains and Waters Sutra' from the Shōbōgenzō. En particular, we are study Okumura's commentary on this text. The part of the chapter that we consider here includes a great Chan/Zen anecdote about Nanquan's sickle. We also explore the topic of whether Zen meditation is concerned with no thought and the real function of koans (ancient cases). Finally, we discuss Dōgen's recommendation that we be reticent about giving our opinions, especially about the Dharma, and agree that we don't necessarily follow this guidance (neither does Dōgen!).