When the world shifts under your feet, what do you do next? In this episode, Indra talks with bestselling children’s author Nancy Krulik about the art of resilience and reinvention. From investigative journalism to over 250 books for kids — and now animation — Nancy’s career is a masterclass in adapting, learning, and staying curious when plans fall apart.

Together, they explore what it takes to recognize when it’s time to pivot, how to turn setbacks into opportunities, and why nothing you learn is ever wasted. Nancy shares hard-earned lessons on staying grounded through industry changes, embracing new tools (including AI), and rediscovering hidden talents along the way.

If you’ve ever been knocked down and wondered how to begin again — this conversation is your reminder that resilience isn’t just about bouncing back; it’s about changing course with purpose.

Listen for:

• How to turn a downturn into a creative turning point


• The value of lifelong learning and fearless experimentation


• Why “nothing is ever wasted” — even the hard parts


• How staying true to your craft helps you weather change

Useful Links:

• The Messy Middle Matters Merch: messymiddlemerch.com 


• The Messy Middle Matters Glossary: messymiddlematters.com/glossary  


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• Nancy’s Website: https://www.realnancykrulik.com/ 


• Monsters Aren’t Real???: https://www.youtube.com/@MonstersArentRealCartoon 


• Indra Klavins on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/indrak/