We’re back at Undoolya Station for Part B of our yarn with the one and only Ben Hayes — and we’re diving straight into the deep end.

From desertification to the future of farming in Central Australia, Ben shares his take on land use, food security, and the big question: why do some folks want the desert back?

We explore bold ideas around diversification, hemp as a possible future crop, and how even the smallest stations play a role in the national conversation around sustainable agriculture. Ben also reflects on the devastation of fire and what it really takes to recover and rebuild.

Through it all, his passion for the land — and for beef — never wavers. With honesty, humour, and insight, Ben reminds us why country people are the heartbeat of this nation.